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Published Date: 09 May 2009
AN AVERAGE of seven heavily pregnant women are being turned away from Edinburgh's main maternity unit every month because there is no space.
Figures have shown that in the last year 80 women about to give birth were "redirected" 20 miles away to St John's Hospital in Livingston because there was no room at Little France's Simpson Centre.

Patient watchdogs criticised NHS Lothian for the capacity problem, although health bosses say planned improvements should ease the problem.

Of those transfers, 35 went on to give birth that day, while the others were examined in Livingston but told to return home.

It is understood the health board operates a traffic light system at Little France which remains green for most of the time. But depending on the number of beds or midwives, it can change to amber, at which point women who are not expected to have a complicated birth are asked instead to go to St John's. This can happen at the point they phone ahead to alert midwives, right up to showing up at the hospital.

Maria Wilson, chief midwife for NHS Lothian, said: "Our first considerations when discussing any transfer of an expectant mother is her welfare and the safe delivery of her child.

"Maternity services are provided across two sites in NHS Lothian and during extremely busy periods both sites are used."

The pressure on space follows a baby boom in the Lothians over the past few years. Since 2004 an 11 per cent increase in births has been registered, put down purely to the rising population both of Eastern European migrants and others from across the UK coming to live in the region.

As a result of this, plans for an expanded birthing centre at Little France are on the table, along with proposals to extend the maternity unit at St John's.

A recruitment drive for midwives will also be launched. The Evening News previously revealed that NHS Lothian's births to midwife ratio is one of the worst in Scotland, although still just inside Royal College of Midwife guidelines.

A spokeswoman for the RCN said: "Things are a bit stretched in the Lothians just now. It will improve once the new centre is open and St John's is given a bit of an upgrade.

"With the best will in the world, if people do turn up without phoning, the midwives don't know they are coming, but everyone who comes to ERI is checked to see if they're OK to travel."

Health chiefs point out that, in spite of the 80 who were redirected, there were still 6,783 births at the ERI in 2008.

It is not the first time lack of space has been an issue for NHS Lothian.

Margaret Watt, chairwoman of watchdog the Scotland Patients Association, said: "If Jesus himself turned up today they wouldn't have room for him either. There is a shortage of midwives and a shortage of beds, not just in birthing but right across the board, and doing little bits here and there does not address the problem."

Tory health spokeswoman Mary Scanlon added: "It is historically very difficult for a unit to plan practically for admissions of pregnant women. But 80 is a high number, and should be giving NHS Lothian food for thought."


'It is a tense time and you don't want any problems'

THE pressures of childbirth are intense enough without doubt being cast over where the child will be born.

And Lynn Neilson knows exactly what it is like to be in labour without a comfortable bed.

In December she gave birth to her daughter Orla on the floor of the ERI after being told there were no vacant rooms on the ward.

She received a full apology from NHS Lothian after she was forced to give birth while fully clothed, despite pleading to be taken to another ward.

Ironically it later emerged that there was a room available for her to use at the time.

And in follow-up meetings with health chiefs she was told she should have been offered the chance to go to Livingston, an option she would have snubbed.

"I wouldn't have been happy with that either," said the 36-year-old Grange mother. "It is a tense time and you don't want any problems.

"It depends on the person – it's swings and roundabouts.

"Maybe for some who are able to travel it isn't a bad option."

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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 11:15:17

With the "Push" on home-births', maybe this will help eliminate the problem of too much carried bulk for the hospital.

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alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 09/05/2009 12:00:18
Why cant they enlarge the maternity unit,looks like their traffic lights system are stuck on red.
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

09/05/2009 12:14:07
"Margaret Watt, chairwoman of watchdog the Scotland Patients Association, said: "If Jesus himself turned up today they wouldn't have room for him either."


Why should Jesus expect priority at the ERI if he turned up expecting to give birth?
4

Fifi la Bonbon,

09/05/2009 12:19:58
Actually, if the ERI can accommodate all but 80 out of 6731, that is extraordinarily good matching of needs to resources. If Jesus turned up to give birth he would almost certainly be able to be helped there and then, and if not, it is surely not too much to ask that he pop over to Livingston, where I am sure the service is equally good.
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09/05/2009 12:25:33
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09/05/2009 13:17:11
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Fifi la Bonbon,

09/05/2009 13:24:16
#6 the real blockem - if they are from eastern Europe, they are hardly likely to be "failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants" but fellow EU citizens here to work and support the economy. If the BNP send you notes on how to write racist comments the least you could do is pay attention.
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FTH22inarow,

09/05/2009 13:26:34
Well what do you expect the hospital to do it was full, I would imagine they would have arranged transport to St Johns in an Ambulance.
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Lil Miss,

09/05/2009 13:31:33
I've given birth at St John's twice and know a lot of people who have and we've all said there were plenty beds and staff attention. I personally would snub RIE the same way I snubbed Simpsons when i was first given the choice by my GP and i know a lot of people who have chosen to give birth at St Johns or the borders after bad experiences at RIE.
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/05/2009 14:03:01
So this is how they meet their targets - turn mums to be away. It's a disgrace given it's a new hospital.

Mind you given the problems people experience at RIE maybe it's just as well but it shouldn't happen. They have a floor of beds - like a hotel - which could be used.
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/05/2009 14:06:44
#7 - yes it would be ideal if all people coming here were coming to work and support the economy but sadly they don't - their priority is get on the benefits system and then bring aunty uncle and god knows who into the country as well. I agree with #6 and it's not a racist comment it's a fact and entitled to our opinion.
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Edinburgh Ian,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 14:49:35
We went to St John's over the RIE. However for our youngest child we had to go to the RIE as St John's was full so it works both ways. The staff and service at the RIE were first class.

Instead of wasting all that money on the trams the cash would have been better invested in the NHS.
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09/05/2009 14:51:34
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tomias,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 15:07:29
Home births
16

Grumpy,

09/05/2009 15:12:04
Of course, for people living in East Lothian - say Dunbar - travelling to Livingston is just so easy.....NOT!

It's bad emough trying to get to Little France never mind trying get out to West Lothian.
17

Native Guide,

USA 09/05/2009 17:06:33
One would think that the unmarried ones would want to be secreted away out of town.
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HG,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 18:46:39
#5 some births are very speedy, especially if it's not your first child - if you thought the baby was likely to arrive within half an hour of arriving at the hospital door I'm sure you wouldn't fancy being transferred either.
19

elayne,

09/05/2009 19:21:08
simple!dont have any more kids,or put it off until maternity services improve!(i personally have never had any complaints about maternity services at all)
20

Artemis,

09/05/2009 19:38:13
19 - secreted away? Shouldn't they be burned at the stake?
21

hoblar,

09/05/2009 19:44:39
The Royal in Edinburgh can't handle the Edinburgh population, and a great deal of people who could give birth in the RIE choose to go to St John's if they live in Corstorphine, or the west of Edinburgh.

As to the absolute tosh about only 'uncomplicated births' going to St John's-completely untrue.

When the Royal is full (and it happens more often than this article implies and leads to more than 'seven' pregnant women going to St John's a month) that is the END of the story, any births will go to a suitable maternity unit capable of doing Emergency surgery, i.e. Caesarean Section; the clinical differences between the Royal and St Johns are NOT about the surgical skills available, rather than the availability of a larger Special care baby Unit in Simpsons.

This larger SCBU is no use at all if the operation cannot be performed in the unit, (there is a SCBU at St Johns as well) it means delivery will take place elsewhere, and increases the risk in the transfer after the mother has delivered.

St Johns does more than half the amount of the elective Caesars that are done in Simpsons.

Simpson was born in Bathgate by the way, and that is in West Lothian!
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James (1),

10/05/2009 09:36:59
#13 stop being logical! You have to understand that we have to take all waifs and strays and give them priority, just like we would get in their country? (Oh really!)
I mean we could not send all of them to St.Johns now could we?
Perhaps is we could charge the country of origin for the medical treatment given, they would not be so keen to off load them onto us?

Now we see the tree huggers theory of come one, come all failing.
We don't like it do we?
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THE REAL BLOCKEM,

Glasgow 10/05/2009 09:56:57
Mornin’ James, The pro-asylum and immigration brigade don’t allow logic on forums - they managed to delete the posts at 5 and 6. It’s either that or they play their stupid wee race cards - substitutes for the lack of a credible counter argument and intelligence. Keep an eye on your comment - it will probably ‘‘disappear’’.
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Noodle doodle,

11/05/2009 10:32:54
My son was born at the eri 18 months ago and back then conditions were verging on the third world. My wife was lucky enough to get a room but there were others in the waiting area with waters breaking all over the shop and one on the verge of giving birth there and then. On top of that the conditions in the ward were tropical, the temperature was kept high 'to keep the babies warm'. Haven't they heard of blankets? The warm temperature of course was manna to all kind of germs and bogies, 2 days in the eri and I had the squits like you wouldn't believe (well, actually if you've caught a hospital-related bug you will believe me all too readily). When i should have been looking after my wife, or at least doing something useful, I was curled up in bed sweating and waiting for the next 10-yard dash to the bog. My wife managed to get some type of coldsore infection on her face and my son ended up getting dehydrated...

As for sending to st johns, the trouble is hospital managers don't understand that hospital capacities have to be tailored to cope with emergencies, that is they should have enough space to cope with humps in demand, either a spurt in birth-rates or some horrible disaster - instead they try and fix the system to cope with 'averages' - if they see something not used 80% of the time they try and shut it down, it's like instinct for them - they don't understand the 20% of the time it is being used is when it saves lives.

 

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