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Published Date: 13 January 2009
By ALAN McEWEN
A LANDLORD has been charged and three others have been given police warnings after officers staged a blitz on Leith pubs which were opening early – illegally – to serve football fans before the derby clash, which kicked off at 12.15pm on Sunday.
A team of 12 officers visited 20 pubs in and around Easter Road in the run-up to the crunch Scottish Cup match to see if any were serving drink before the legal Sunday opening time of 12.30pm.

The first of the pubs caught breaking licenses laws was discovered at 10am.

The planned operation was filmed by police using a camcorder to help gather evidence against publicans serving alcohol outside licensed hours.

The licensee of the Iona Bar on Easter Road, James Colvine, was charged by officers in the wake of the blitz. Another three pubs in the area are set to receive formal warnings from the police licensing section, and a report will be sent to council licensing chiefs.

Police chiefs said the raids on Sunday had launched a new "standard procedure" which would be replicated before future early kick-offs in the Capital.

Hibs supporters discussing the crackdown on fan websites suggested that police may have learned about plans by some pubs to open early from the internet.

One fan, who witnessed a raid, said: "The pub was raided today for letting folk in early for a pint. About 20 or so cops standing outside when we were let out and one of them filming us leaving.

"The rumour going about is that some idiot broadcast the early opening on the internet."

Another Hibs fan, who asked not to be named, said: "It's well-known among fans which pubs serve before early kick-offs on a Sunday. I think everyone thought the police were just turning a blind eye.

"A lot of fans will start drinking as soon as they wake up in the morning, especially before a derby. The pubs can do some good trade and it keeps their regulars happy. It's amazing that they've got away with it for so long."

A police spokesman said: "Officers visited approximately 20 pubs in Edinburgh on Sunday to investigate alleged licensing violations.

"As a result, four premises were found to be serving alcohol prior to 12.30pm and were in breach of their license. One licensee has been charged and three others will receive a formal warning from the police licensing section."

A council spokeswoman said the licensing board would be made aware of Sunday's operation. She added: "By law, public houses must not sell alcohol before 12.30pm on Sundays. The board will consider each request for suspension of a licence on its merits and on the terms of the Chief Constable's report."

When asked about the police visit to the Iona Bar, Mr Colvine said: "No comment".


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1

smithy1874,,

13/01/2009 11:11:49
Shocking. I was only half way down my 1st pint when the polis turned up and spoiled it :( found another place up the road though :)
2

Jambo-ree,

13/01/2009 11:15:18
Good old presbyterian Scotland - nae bevvy until after the churches come out!

Like a pint as much as anyone but what do you say to "A lot of fans will start drinking as soon as they wake up in the morning, especially before a derby." Do these guys have a problem?
3

Just Me " Again ",

13/01/2009 11:27:33
Edinburghs cops at their best,
they are catching up with the strathclyde mob in my opinion,
4

The Future's Maroon,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 11:46:32
What do people expect when the game is arranged for an early kick off just to suit TV companies? I can, in a way, understand that the police dont want fand steaming before games (same with OF games) but a bit of common sence should have been used. Why not make the game a 2pm kick-off, that way if fans want a couple of pints first then they have from 12:30-2pm...long enough to get a couple of jars in but not long enough for folk to get bladdered?

These pubs who dont have a licence to open early knew the risk they were taking and its their own fault.

Even if all pubs (and clubs) were not open early the fans that wanted a decent drink beforehand could have done so in their own homes.

There is always the risk you wont even get into the game if your drunk too, no sympathy for the pubs in question.

My point....the game should never have been a 12:15 kick-off......2pm would have been more sensible.
5

kennydjambo,

fife 13/01/2009 12:02:47
it is sad that you can,t have a wee pre match pint,the sfa would rather accomadate a magnet tv company than help the poor publicans.just shows money talks
6

Tukhachevsky,

13/01/2009 12:08:36
No.2 - Hibs fans need to do something to blot out the inevitable! :-)
7

allknowing,

13/01/2009 12:13:22
SO LBP would rather nab some easy going fans, and also stand at Shandwick Place yesterday trying to catch people turning into Shandwick place, RATHER than go out and solve the serious crimes that go on i Edinburgh, like assualt etc.


Its amazing how many polis can be found when there is money to be made!
8

The Judge,

13/01/2009 12:13:50
One licensee has been charged and three others will receive a formal warning from the police licensing section.

Why has only one licensee been charged when four were caught red handed? I wonder who made the decision not to charge, and I wonder if they attend the same lodge as the three who were let off?

Typical overreaction from LBP, 20+ officers when 2 or 3 would have done the exact same job, mind you it'll be doubles all round when the overtime comes in next month.

We live in a very strange city, dealers openly selling drugs in certain parts of the city are deemed to be untouchable, sell a pint 15 minutes before you're supposed to and 20 police officers kick the door down.

As for people being filmed leaving the pub, I always thought we end up in a police state this is just another example.
9

JamboMowg,

13/01/2009 12:15:02
Typical polis. Easy pickings with something as dangerous as selling alcohol prior to 12.30...oh no!

Maybe they should try and stop real crimes before this kind of nonsense.
10

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

13/01/2009 12:18:05
"A lot of fans will start drinking as soon as they wake up in the morning, especially before a derby"

Yes. This is the sort of behaviour we should be encouraging isn't it? "Some football fans are raging alcoholics, we should be allowed to fully exploit them"
11

bertiblunt,

13/01/2009 12:21:25
Its all part of "THE NEW WORLD ORDER"
12

Decent,

13/01/2009 12:25:00
I once bought a bottle of wine in a corner shop at 12.15 on a Sunday. Do you think there will be a warrant out for my arrest?

Stupid Scottish laws
Stupid Scottish polis
13

Chas Niceass,

13/01/2009 12:25:40
Well done LBP I say. Not once was my view of the game disturbed on Sunday, by someone shuffling along the aisle to get out for a single fish.
Perhaps all drinking should be banned and I include pop and water in there to. While we're at it lets get the pie stall shut after kick off and shutters put up on the doors for late comers, do they not know the ko time?
14

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 12:26:07
whats the obsession with getting blootered ?

Can you not just behave yourselves ?

Is 1230 on a sunday a bit too unreasonable ?!

Theres always the penny black or the Bank Hotel at the Tron if you need to calm your shakes !

For the love of God. Sober up.
15

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 12:27:24
Its clear to see what your priorities are.

Mediocre fitba and getting a pint down your neck.

idiots.
16

Doon gorgie way,

ANNAN 13/01/2009 12:31:03
The hibs fans were just downing there sorrows early nothing wrong with that ha ha
17

AlbertKidd '86,

Leith 13/01/2009 12:31:20
First of all - typical heavy handed tactics from the Police. Catch people for having a couple of jars before a derby - crime of the decade or what! Muggings, violent crime, drug dealing, etc... all prove a bit harder to deal with so they pick on easy targets. Punish the majority for problems caused by the minority typical of the society we live in.

Secondly - Fan that published the details on the web - thicko.
18

Concerned Colleague,

13/01/2009 12:43:50
12#

Technically, the law falls on the retailer for selling the item prior to the legislated times.

And this isn't Sweden... they are called Police you imbecile.
19

the west end general,

13/01/2009 12:44:13
quite ironic - the police film the fans getting chucked out the pubs but I know of one guy who was fined for filming the police on his mobile as they were being heavy handed !!
20

Chas Niceass,

13/01/2009 12:44:20
Clearly the Hibs team still managed to get a pint on Sunday, I heard, it was down the Brown Trout.
21

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 12:46:22
#12 - doubt it. You didn't commit the offence!

Crazy, out-dated law anyway, but more fool the publicans that did it and got caught. Many pubs open a wee bit early to let fans in for such an early kick off, but they simply don't start serving bozze until 12:30pm.

Easy, innit?
22

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 12:46:42
bozze = booze
23

Andy 52,

Behind the bar a' day 13/01/2009 12:49:36
Absolute disgrace. As has been pointed out the real culprits here are Sky and the SFA that allow them to dictate kick off times. Sky can charge over £900 per month to allow pubs "the privelege" of showing football and show no sympathy when they demand that games be shown outwith pub hours. Football will be the long terms losers as the sport over heats. Sky will revert to Elephant Polo and I'll keep gettin pashed.
24

Top Floor,

13/01/2009 12:51:19
#15

"Mediocre fitba and getting a pint down your neck."

That defines a perfect weekend for me I'll have you know. It's my lifestyle of choice.
25

Decent,

13/01/2009 12:55:44
18 - Shut it you bampot.

And if it wasn't for this stupid websites stupid restrictions I wouldn't be calling them polis or police.
26

gorgie resident,

13/01/2009 12:57:28
What a waste of police time. Yes the pubs did break the law but as the police are supossed to be over stretched surly they could have been doing something more constructive with there time I.E. catching real criminals
27

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 12:59:43
24

Fair enough. I just find it all rather amusing. And you wonder why you all go about with nippy faces all the time ?
28

Cappo Del Monte,

13/01/2009 13:00:51
How come Leith Dockers Club can open at 11AM?

Yup all those shops selling ciggies drink to underagers get a slap on the wrist, and adults cant get a wee drink on a Sunday.

29

elayne,

13/01/2009 13:08:28
i think if pubs want to open at say,,11.30 or so on sunday,why not?,theres no denying pubs do open earlier usually for locals/regulars and close door again till 12.30 until "official"opening time on sundays and of course some people do like a wee refreshment after sitting through church service so why not
30

busbyfh,

13/01/2009 13:22:56
The OBVIOUS problem here is the Church still has too much say in what goes on in daily life.
What a stupid law to say that folk cannot buy alcohol until church congregations come out.
Total farce.
Minority leading the huge majority. (Anyone ever noted how many people go to church services nowadays ?)
When is this country of ours going to come into the 20th century (never mind the 21st)

When is Edinburgh council ever going to get a set of ba11s to stand up to the COS ? Mind you - with MyCaskKill in charge of Scoptland's booze laws!!!!!!!- there's nothing worse than a "reformed" boozer or smoker, as hypocricy becomes the order of the day. I could just see him sitting in the congregation nodding his "vacancy" head.
31

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 13:24:06
Regardless, all this whinging about not getting a bevvy before 1230 will end in tears and no good will come of it.

"But I need to drink bevvy when I am looking at a television"

Ssh. Be Quiet.
32

Louis Catorze,

13/01/2009 13:24:39
It's not about the cause, it's about the effect.

In other words, there's no problem with pubs selling booze, at any time of the day.

It's the resulting nedish violence and intimidation that comes from letting certain members of society access to alchohol when they simply cannot handle everyday interaction with other members of society, eg. opposing fitba' fans, that's the problem.

90% of the fans there that day could proably have a few pints with no aggro. Unfortunately the thick minority once again spoils it for the rest.

Mind you.

Drinking in a Leith pub at 10:00am on a sunday?

That's pretty desperate whatever the circumstances....
33

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 13:25:46
30 you can come into the 20th century when you realise that most other countries dont have boozers open on sunday mornings and a copmplete fixation on bevvy.
34

MaroonToon,

13/01/2009 13:40:27
#2# It must ease the pain, knowing that they will forever be in Hearts shadow.

108.......................
35

smithy1874,,

13/01/2009 13:48:21
Going to the boozer before the game isn't all about getting pashed. Its about socialising, having a good disscusion about your team with like minded people, catching up with people you only see on saturdays/sundays, the list goes on. If it was only about getting pashed, we'd all just sit in the house where it is infinately cheaper!
36

Mrs Mac,

13/01/2009 13:55:32
I was in a pub in Leith on Sunday morning when the police came in at 10.20am, I have to say they were not at all heavy handed, two plain clothes officers came in and spoke to the manager, gave us time to drink up and we were not filmed on our way out. All very civilised. If a bit inconvenient!

The manager should have known better however, he had about 70 folk in the bar and was making the smokers go out to have a fag, that's asking for trouble!

Didn't stop us finding somewhere else to go, and a good day was had all round, what with the result and all!
37

elayne,

13/01/2009 13:57:01
i think most neds sit in the house n get p*shed,they tend to like playing out their dramas in familiar territory
38

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 14:46:22
Football is very Gay.
39

Colinmac,

13/01/2009 14:52:55
#36

Says it all really. The landlord enforces one stupid law but flouts another !

Only in Scotland . . .
40

troonjambo,

Troon 13/01/2009 14:55:28
Smithy1874:

Well said! It's too easy to forget how many people go to the pub before games for exactly the reasons you describe.

After sitting on a bus for two hours getting to Gorgie for games I can assure you that meeting my Edinburgh friends for a couple of pints before the game is something I really look forward to. Shame on the SFA and SKY, right enough, for scheduling a game so early. In my opinion ALL day games should kick off at 3pm. I couldn't care less if there's a live EPL or Championship game on at the same time!

The point about SKY charging the pubs a fortune to screen games and then scheduling a kick-off before the pub opening time is a pertinent one. How many people decided to get a carry out and watch at home in order to avoid missing the start of the game?

Unfortunately, if you came up with a list of ways to put Scottish football fans off watching games live OR on telly you'd be hard pushed to find one that the SFA, SPL, SKY and SETANTA hadn't already put into practice!
41

tumshie heid,

13/01/2009 15:21:49
Another fine use of police resources. I hope they had a speed camera set up as well to catch the team bus coming down Easter Road. Why were they filming?
This government is obsessed with surveillance.
42

sazm,

13/01/2009 15:52:01
Just read the comments and Leith Cowboy... cause u happen to dislike football and sitting in a pub means everyone else that does are sad alcoholics. Why comment on things that u have no interest in anyway??
43

lynno,

london 13/01/2009 15:59:30
LBP SCOTLANDS FINEST EH. JUST SOME DECENT GUYS WANTING A FEW JARS B4 GOING TO THE GAME.HARDLY CRIME OF THE CENTURY IS IT MAYBE LBP SHOULD DO SOME REAL POLICE WORK AND CATCH SOME REAL CROOKS EG MUGING OLD PEOPLE RAPISTS THEY SORT OF BEASTS THE POLIS SHOULD BE LOOKING TO ARREST RATHER THAN A FEW DECENT FITBA FANS.
44

Ackey,

Sunny Leith 13/01/2009 16:08:46
Yip agree with the majority, total waste of resource and should be out doing something better with their time than tried and stop people from earning a living.

Here is me thinking edinburgh was supposed to be a 24 hour licence to stop binge drinking???

Get a grib LBP & the cooncil....
45

Ronnie Fae London hfc,

in edinburgh the now 13/01/2009 16:17:53
whats all the fuse about an early beer ? 20 old bill raid pub i live london and we have early shops and lock ins and no sign of old bill there they at least trying to do something about real crime so why cant the edinburgh polis to scared i think

mad hibby from dagenham
46

g00dheart ,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 16:18:05
These laws are outdated, if a football match is held on a Sunday, is it not the right for the public to have a coulpe of pints before a game. Bunch of spoilsports, any way polis should be chasing muggers, and real crimanals, and leave the landlords to get on doing what they do best, you can't blame them for this one with it being a Derby, there was money to be made.
47

hibbyspurs,

13/01/2009 16:20:48
Well done LBP once again (not!!!)

Whilst hookers are tolerated and saunas seem no problem the mere idea of some football fans enjoying a pint before a derby game is tantamount to a hanging offence!!

So they steam in and enforce "the law" to ensure peace & order in our city? What a load of sweaty swollox!!

When was the last time there was a full scale football riot after a Hibs - Hearts game?

Apart from the odd flair up in the odd pub around the city centre AFTER a game I think theres hardly ever any violence around Hibs - Hearts fans who despite their bitter rivalry dont by & large resort to hammering the living hell out of each other like the OF in Glasgow.

Besides most fans know the footballing orentation of most pubs and therefore choose their "watering hole" accordingly.

So why the heavy mob which to be fair had the potential to start a major disturbance if the majority in 1 boozer had taken exception to the plods turning up.

I'm not saying the polis have an easy job as they dont but sometimes they make all the wrong decisions and picking on publicans and honest working people trying to enjoy a day out at the local derby match is one of them.

Some laws are meant to be broken and the landlords in reality were only bending them to offer a public service & make a few extra quid but as usual LBP take the easy route catching "criminals" by attacking people who will accept responsibility for their actions instead of chasing real criminals and getting them off the streets.
48

Black Five,

edinburgh 13/01/2009 16:25:04
I wish they would tackle real crime.If they chose to look harder down there they will find it infested with drugs being traded in the pubs.They will find Suanas carrying out illegal prositution.They find it better nicking football fans having a quiet pint.What a useless lot they are.
49

Calum Crubag,

13/01/2009 16:41:49
Why not raid the churches and close them down?
50

forfoxsake,

musselburgh 13/01/2009 16:47:06
easy targets for the cops and the landlords got nailed.Did they really think they were gonna get away with it,the place is swarming wi cops and theres guys blatantly walking into pubs.As previous post said, why were all the landlords not charged? I also dont believe it came from an internet site as these things are surely pre- planned.although i know something was said on a site.
51

Bigwull,

edinburgh 13/01/2009 16:53:31
Funny I thought it was a Hibs/Hearts derby, because its a negative story you've got to put Hearts name first, tut tut hobosman.
52

what a chancer,

grass roots 13/01/2009 16:53:43
i bet their was more punters in the pub that was next to the local church.so who is to be judged,the mass who pay the taxes or the few who put themselves on the high perch.
53

Dave the jambo fae Burnley.,

Burnley 13/01/2009 16:58:47
Have the polis n leith nothing better tae dae wae therselves in a morning,there's loads o people up fester rd area injecting themselves wae a sorts sh--e.stil you need a bit o dutch courage to actually go to fester rd in the first place.lol25
54

Lady of Shallot,

13/01/2009 17:06:51
How come Wetherspoon's Foot of the Walk opens at 9am then?
55

roberto,

13/01/2009 17:11:33
did they expect us to be sober to watch that p**h
56

ronaldo,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 17:40:49
This has got to be the most stupid law on the statute books--it's legal to drink Monday to Saturday at 11 o'clock, but not on Sunday!Surely our police could be deployed on more urgent matters than nicking people having a pint 5 minutes before the official opening time, and it's not going to stop anyone wanting a drink anyway as you can get a carry out on Saturday and drink at home or even outside, as we see every match day. At least if this nonsense is to continue, make the kick off after opening time. A final point, other countries such a s Spain, France etc. who are far more religious than Scotland do not have any such restrictions
57

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 17:41:19
56 has a point , but please Fellow Scots - get a grip of yourself. If this is your culture it frankly sucks.

900 seconds of a game you had to wait for a bevvy.
58

The Leith Cowboy BAM BAM,

Bruxelles 13/01/2009 17:42:41
57 they also dont have hordes of scottish people who just cant wait to get blootered at the earliest opportunity.

I-ve worked out that you can infact drink 24 hours a day in edinburgh if you want to, every day of the week. Ill post the list if you want,
59

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/01/2009 17:52:08
18 - this is Scotland ya diddy and a large percentage of the public ca' them polis.
60

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/01/2009 17:55:31
58 is a pledge-signer
61

Pilrig.,

Livingston 13/01/2009 17:56:51
60 while LPB were doing this fine action some poor soandso was getting his or her hoose broken intae
62

ronaldo,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 17:58:27
#59, Sorry, I've got to disagree with you on that one, most fans don't want to get blootered--ok there are a minority who do, but the majority just want a pint in a civilised environment to watch their team. Treat them civilly and they'll act civilly.To return to my main point, how is it ok on Saturday but not on Sunday to have drink before the match?
63

Who let the dogs out?,

13/01/2009 18:08:02
The reason why the game kicked off early was soo you numpties couldnt get blazing before the game not to suit setanta !
64

Draco Was a Wimp,

Ednburgh 13/01/2009 18:38:18
Murder, rape, tampering with bairns, maybe housebreaking. That seems to be about the only laws most of the muppets on here think the polis should be enforcing. Everything else isn't 'proper' crime worth tackling, until the polis don't of course, then they're fat, lazy and useless. Let's have anarchy, woohoo.
65

Greens,

13/01/2009 18:38:33
Reminds me of the old Lindifarne song. Lyric: http://www.lyricsoncall.com/lyrics/lindisfarne/we-can-swing-together-lyrics.html
66

Ardee,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 18:43:55
Why did the Church allow the game to kick off at 12:15?, I imagine most of the congregation would have loved to have seen the start of the game and have a pint.
67

Colinton Hibby,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 19:02:34
Our stroppy lazy police form really sums up modern day Britain.
Our Police in their thrive to justify their over inflated salaries and wonderful pension entitlemenst meets their targets by solving easy crimes. Charging hard working publicans with a trivial offfence, in which they have an opportunity to make a few bob in difficult times is unforgiveable. It is about time our Police realise they are here to protect the public from real crime and not just jobs worth crime. Common sense prevails here that in our culture a pint or two before the match with friends is an enjoyable pastime.
Our government for allowing innocent members of the public to be filmed leaving a public house,just shows how far civil rights have been allowed to deterioate in this country.
Anothe rposter hit the nail on the head Sky/Setanta charge Public houses vast sums for subscirptions to these matches.Who then decides the kick off times so that pubs lose out or break some jobsworth law?
68

Boozy,

Leith 13/01/2009 19:17:55
The Pubs around ER, just like their counterparts up at Gorgie depend on the crowds going to the match for their livelihood. Bad show Leith Police, still I suppose the Leith Motorist had a quite Sunday morning. In my younger days it was mostly the Leith Police tapping at the pub doors to get in for a pint.
Changed Days.
69

Unconcerned,

Uphall 13/01/2009 19:27:30
Having read a number of the posts it would appear that the lazy police officers should be away fighting more serious things. I couldn't agree more. However what about the facts. Depending on the match concerned (i.e who the opposition is) dictates the number of police officers that have to be allocated to police the inside and outside of the stadium and surrounding areas. These officers cannot be used for other matters. The majority of these officers are not getting paid overtime, nor do they want to be there. Fact, the majority of people that cause problems at football matches are under the influence of alcohol. Fact, off licences or supermarkets will be heavily fined and could lose their licence if they sell alcohol outwith the terms of their licence, why should that be any different for a pub near the football ground. I suppose all football fans that wish to have a drink before a game could always petition their clubs to only play on a Saturday at 3pm then we will see if they are interested in their fans or just the television money.
70

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 13/01/2009 19:32:16
There must be something wrong with people who need to get bevvied up before lunchtime.
71

I BELIEVE,

TOGETHER 13/01/2009 20:11:12
Plenty drink in our stand, once again plenty FOSTERS to start with followed up by a GLEN'S to finish.
72

BastadeBoludos,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 23:55:52
If they think 12.00 is not a suitable time to have a pint , how can they think 12.15 is a suitable time to watch football.

I though Scotland was supposed to be a free country. With such stupid laws against alcohool , no wonder wonder why there are so many alcoholic in our town.

Let's have a drink to forget we're not free anymore.
And don't pretend it's for security reason I've been to most of the recent derbies and I've never seen anybody drunk or causing problem at the stadium.
What's wrong in having a pint before the game?

I only hope this stupid law won't make people have a few beer at home before going to the stadium by car.Actually no, I hope they will use their brain to change this law.

Freedom is most important than anything else. No innocent has to pay for others.
73

Bzzzz1314,

Edinburgh 14/01/2009 10:11:15
It's after the game the hibees needed their drink... thin Mixu started way before them tho!
74

Franck,

14/01/2009 11:52:47
considering that it is an offence to enter any designated sporting ground in scotland for a sporting event whilst under the influence of alcohol i am surprised that there are any people in the ground come kick off. You don't need to be steamin just under the influence of which realistically means a thirst quencher!
75

Franck,

14/01/2009 11:54:05
75 We haven't had freedom since the Nobles double crossed the Bruce.
76

Franck,

14/01/2009 11:57:18
71 It has nothing to do with the Leith Police. There has never in my time been a Leith Police, what are you raving on about. Surely you mean L and B which means every caravan park that you have been on holiday at?

Good on the Police for cracking down, I am sure that the cops were on duty doing other things later on too it's called a job. Some of you guys would be better off finding one.

 

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