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Published Date: 28 March 2008
AN Orange walk which is set to begin before 9am on a Saturday morning has provoked anger among residents of Leith.
Community leaders and councillors say it is unfair that residents should be awoken when the John Knox District Lodge no.5 holds its parade in June.

The walk will see 420 marchers, including three bands, assembling in Academy Street from 8.45am, before walking up Leith Walk and joining the rest of the annual march in the city centre.

But Leith councillor Gordon Munro said he felt the event was kicking off too early.

He said: "It's very unfair on residents who wouldn't normally be getting up at that time on a Saturday.

"The organisation behind this isn't even based in Leith so I would have to question why there, and why at this time?

"No other marches in the area start this early. Even the Leith Gala parade doesn't assemble until 10.30am and leaves at 11am. The Leith BB march starts at 10am, and when the local Sikh community have their parade it starts at a reasonable time.

"I think Leithers will be questioning why it is starting in their area when many of the participants don't even come from the city."

The march on June 28, which has the blessing of both the city council and police, will end up in the Grassmarket, where a short service will take place at the Martyr's Memorial.

Coaches will then take participants to an event in Grangemouth, before they return to resume marching at 4.45pm through the centre of Edinburgh to King's Stables Road. Speeches will then ensue, followed by the national anthem.

A spokeswoman for Leith Links Residents' Association also wanted to know why such an early start time had been chosen.

She said: "I would have thought that it's not in their interest to start so early and upset people.

"I would like to know why they have to start so early, do they have to be somewhere at a certain time or attend a specific event which means they can't begin later?

"No other organisation seems to have to begin at that time and I think this could prove disruptive."

However, chairman of Leith Central Community Council, Roland Reid, said the issue of noise at antisocial hours was not a new one for residents.

He said: "There is so much noise and disruption in the area just now that I'm not sure this is as pressing as things like the tram work and noise from karaoke bars late at night."

March organiser Ronnie Arthur could not be contacted last night, but a spokesman for another district lodge in the city said: "This march has been going since before the Troubles in Northern Ireland and that was 1969, so it is well established.

"I'm not aware of having this complaint before. We have to be in Grangemouth for the main parade for 12 so the only option is to start at that time."


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  • Last Updated: 28 March 2008 10:25 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

eric,

Lothian 28/03/2008 12:06:13
Time to put this stuff in a museum,
2

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:06:55
Why stop at Grangemouth? I think most people would prefer it if they just continued into the Firth of Forth.
3

blackley,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:07:21
Stop this march and keep the Orangemen in West Lothian where they belong.
4

Iain fae Elgin,

28/03/2008 12:10:42
Keep the James Connoly bigots off the streets too.
5

Epicuras,

Leith 28/03/2008 12:13:32
I'm sure all the Hibs casuals would love to be there to send them off. If this march is as historic as the Orange lodge spokesman says perhaps it's time for a new Leith tradition - every year we could drum the orangemen out of Leith :-)
6

Xena - Warrior Princess,

28/03/2008 12:16:48
I am all for free speech but when it instigates religious bigotry on both sides of the divide, they should be stopped.
7

the good doctor,

i wish 28/03/2008 12:18:53
GO BACK TO GLASGOW!
8

AliceRocks,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:24:17
I'm surprised they haven't found a predominantly Catholic area to spout their c**p - maybe the Leithers on their route should hang big posters of the Pope from their windows (regardless of religion) and give them a nice warm welcome!!!
9

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

28/03/2008 12:32:03


Free Country, let them march.


10

steve 1511,

aberdeen 28/03/2008 12:33:22
good to see the orange lodge joining the health campaign to get lazy people out of their beds at a reasonable time,the sound of a big drum should be enough to awaken most
11

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28/03/2008 12:33:33
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JML,

28/03/2008 12:35:16
#9 Sure - because that would keep the animosity down!!
13

calum,

28/03/2008 12:36:54
Well done Leith! Mela, Pride Scotia and now Orange marches.... come one, come all.
14

CATHOLIC AND PROUD,

28/03/2008 12:57:37
#4-the James Connolly society took the decision last year that in light of the current peace process in Ireland they would be ending their annual march to commemmorate James Connolly so they won't be on the streets anyway! And the march was a commemoration of James Connolly as a figurehead of the international socialist movement whose bithplace was the Cowgate,so had arguably more relevane to Edinburgh than allowing a secret society of bigots to be bused through from the west and march about in their usual very threatening way.If you disagree then head down to Leith tomorrow and either rry ro oppose the march or try to cross it's path!!
15

brettgallacher,

edinburgh 28/03/2008 12:57:51
thats scotlands policy with help from the anti scottish friends at the een news let anyone come in and take over our streets
16

PaulB,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:01:31
All these types of sectarian walks are archaic and not relevant to a modern Scotland. They should be phased out. Hope no-one falls into a hole in Leith Walk.
17

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28/03/2008 13:01:52
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SBW,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:04:24
Is there not enough disruption at the moment with all the roadworks? The Council should put a ban on all marches going anywhere near Leith or the city centre, regardless of who is involved, until the roads are back to normal.
19

Finbarr Saunders,

28/03/2008 13:05:34
I really hope that it is pouring down with rain and blowing a gale that morning.

Why should the people of Leith have to put up with these predominantly Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West Lothian based bigots cluttering up their streets and making a noise?

20

Ken Mare,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:07:14
The earlier they start the more drunken and abusive they'll get. I don't think it's a good idea to allow them into the Grassmarket either - too many pubs. What will all the tourists think? Surely this is not a good impression to give them of Edinburgh ! They should be put in a field somewhere.
21

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

28/03/2008 13:12:31
"..march about in their usual very threatening way"

How do you do that? Stamp your feet hard and scowl ?
22

chump,

28/03/2008 13:14:17
The folk who have mentioned that this is a West Coast problem/get back to Glasgow or West Lothian- you lot are sorely mistaken. The Orange Order has followers (friends)everywhere over this side of the country. Try going to Musselburgh/Prestonpans/Tranent/Port Seton/Dalkeith etc etc in the summer months and inevitably there will be knuckle dragging orange idiots marching. And guess how many marches take place from the Republican side. ZERO.

Times up for Orange walks.
23

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28/03/2008 13:14:55
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roadstohell,

28/03/2008 13:17:46
I happen to know why they have chosen to start this march in Leith. because, they want to "upset" the large Polish community that they know now reside in Leith, and want to show contempt for these catholics. This is the reason.

zobaczymy janek
25

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28/03/2008 13:17:57
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chump,

28/03/2008 13:18:47
#22

More like stroll around guzzling from their cans of lager (at 8 in the morning) Shouting and swearing at anyone who looks like a catholic (they can identify RC's from some distance). Oh, then there are the grown men who carry the beautiful flags and "dance" drunkenly from one side of the street to the other, sweating profusely from their exertions, and the fact they usually only wear their suit on court dates. Hang on, i'm exagerrating. These idiots probably fail to turn up at court.
27

Timothy Claypole,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:23:34
Edinburgh City Council ought to be ashamed of itself. Orange marches are 'anti-catholic' and an excuse for the idiots to embarass our society. The council is quick to promote and celebrate the ethnic and religious diversity of immigrants into this country but are clearly stuck in the dark ages along with the 'orange order' when it comes to respecting certain sections of their own society. Let's get rid of this nonsense once and for all. It makes you cringe seeing these insecure knuckle draggers sullying our streets (keep them in the Armadale's and Prestonpans of this world). One can only hope that we have a freak tornado/cyclone/snow storm/meteor shower on the day of the march.
28

chump,

28/03/2008 13:26:18
#28

The higher echleons of Governmental organisations are riddled with freemasonry.

Everyone knows that masons have nothing to do with the Orange Order though....
29

P I Staker,

28/03/2008 13:27:19
".....to be in Grangemouth for the main parade for 12 so the only option is to start at that time."
So are they walking ALL the way to Grangemouth?
30

Logie Almond,

28/03/2008 13:28:19
Reinforces all the stereotypes about Leithers if they're still in their beds at 9 in the morning.
31

Arrow,

edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:28:42
is it true that there was a chinese restaurant in Larkhall called the Orange Wok?
32

ArabHibbee,

28/03/2008 13:29:01
If you're still in your bed sleeping at 8.45am on a Saturday, then you're a lazy beggar, IMO.
33

scotman,

edinburgh 28/03/2008 13:39:08
hope they dont fall into a big hole in leith walk
34

True Jambo,

28/03/2008 13:40:20
#28 lol.
35

pepe the hibee,

28/03/2008 13:43:30
I find these marches outdated, silly and moronic. They have no musical ability and are displeasing on the eye. The kids hate them (they like noise but dont like these??), no-one cares anymore and the old tw@ts in the march will hopefully trot off to an OAP's home and leave their numbers dwindling, here's hoping some fall down the crater sized potholes currently strewn on leith walk........
Where do we sign up to get these things off the street?
36

Annoyingboi,

Emptybra 28/03/2008 13:45:42
Who are you people above? Are you originally from Edinburgh? I am and I can tell you right now, there are just as many Orange men through here than there are in West Lothian or Glasgow. You lot live in a little bubble if you think otherwise!
37

scotman,

edinburgh 28/03/2008 14:06:05
Yes i have lived in edinburgh all my life, and it is a shame that these people have so little in their heads
38

Hibernia,

28/03/2008 14:11:53
#38 Are you for real as many orangemen through here as in West Lothian and Glasgow. No offence but have a word with yourself!

Oh yes and I am Edinburgh born and bred.
39

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

28/03/2008 14:20:45
"They have no musical ability " cmon, who are you ?simon cowell ?
40

Hamish Scott,

28/03/2008 14:35:02
#1 - #39

What a diatribe of intolerance! And why? Because you think these people who want to march are intolerant!
41

chump,

28/03/2008 15:05:51
#37

This won't be dying down any time soon. That's the beauty of the Orange Order. They don't just have adult marches- they have numerous juvenile walks "just for the bairns". Brilliant isn't it.
42

Finbarr Saunders,

28/03/2008 15:17:22
#42 - Hamish Scott - Admit it, you're name is really Mason Boyne!
43

G.,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:27:46
Orange filth. I hope every single last one of them ends up with gangrenous genitalia.
44

Dunsyre Boy,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:43:57
What eejit in the council allowed this march to go ahead anywhere in Edinburgh, let alone Leith with a huge Polish population! Great image to project overseas. Scotland needs to grow up and leave this outdated cobblers behind.
Has anyone noticed that most Orange marchers come from crappy little towns with nothing else to do? Point made.
45

ADMuir,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 15:55:39
There's a lot of hate going on here. The Orangemen hate the Catholics, the Catholics hate the scientists... Where will it all end?
46

True Jambo,

28/03/2008 16:33:07
will all end when we ban orange marches NOT.

Then they will have a protest march against the ban.


Let's hope leith is flooded and washes all the orange fuds away.
47

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28/03/2008 16:36:20
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I still don't believe it !,

28/03/2008 17:13:46
Just how are they going to march up Leith Walk anyway? I suppose the early start is to allow for all the roadworks that will have to be negotiated.
49

Franck,

28/03/2008 18:07:40
Is this march to make way for the trams?

nice to see that this is not red rag to a bull stuff!
50

Peter Wyngarde,

28/03/2008 18:23:45
Have we actually found a positive from putting the tramline up Leith Walk, that these marches wont be able to take place without jamming the tram system up? Or do we just put a big cow catcher on the front of the trams and ramp them to top speed when the march is on :)

Seriously, why is this march even taking place in Edinburgh, if they want to march let them go walk round a field somewhere bothering no one else but some sheep and coo's...

Stupid outdated bowler hat wearing trumped up little men with some kind of deluded vision of their own self worth and outdated views on society...
51

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 28/03/2008 20:29:24
I'm a libertarian. I hate banning things. But if I could ban just one thing, it would be the Orange Order (not just the Walks, but the Order itself).

Its sole reason for existing is to whip up hatred against Roman Catholics and to make them feel uneasy and unwelcome in their own country.
52

Porty Belle,

28/03/2008 21:04:38
As a Protestant who actually attends Church, I find marches by Orange Orders or any other sectarian organisations really offensive. People should be free to worship in any way they see fit as long as it causes no harm to others. The big problem I have with these marches is that most of the people on them do not have ANY religious affiliation except in name. All this does is promote and condone bigotry.
53

Mick O' ,

Anywhere away from this madness 28/03/2008 21:21:50
I will be asking my local councillor if he voted to allow this march It is beyond belief that we allow sectarian marches This is a vehemently Catholic- hating organisation composed of bigots who are neither christian or have set foot in a church in their lives Some have links with white supremist groups.Would we allow anti muslim marches?No,then why an anti-catholic march. Lobby your councillor to put a stop to this insulting and shameful event. If not this year then in the future
54

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

Arvada,Colorado,USA,,,,,,,,,re/ Niddrie Mains Terr 28/03/2008 21:55:54
How very sad to see that the Edinburgh City Council deems it ok to allow these comical knuckle dragging morons marching through the streets of Leith and Edinburgh creating nothing but animosity for local citizens to put up with, lets see if the police will ask them to conduct themselves in an orderly fashion, i truly don,t think that will be the case as they are inundated with Orangemen and Masons alike, how many Catholics are in the Edinburgh City Police? very few i would think, lets face it people time to put a stop to this bigoted display in Scotland,,,,,,,,,,
55

Plantagenet,

28/03/2008 22:23:44
We have the cheek to call ourselves a multi-cultural society, the authorities would be horrified if we took to the streets to spout hatred at the Muslim Faith, the Jewish community or those of a different colour of skin to our own. Why then do the authorities tolerate the ignorant sectarianism of the Orange Order and allow them their 'triumphalism' marches through our city, come to think of it why are the 'small minority' {ha ha} of Rangers supporters allowed to erupt into song and offend us with their songs of hatred when they infest the terraces of our football grounds.
56

eDUCATIon,

28/03/2008 23:46:55
I'll just let George do the talking....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&feature=related
57

Sandy C,

Brisbane 29/03/2008 06:40:25
I had forgotten what a lazy lot Leithers were. I was born and bred there and yes, didnt get up till about 10am - half of the day gone. I guess we stayed up until the wee hours of the morning. Here in Oz people are usually up and about by 5.30-6am. There again the weather is more condusive to early rising and lights out by about 9 or 10pm
58

S.E,

29/03/2008 12:25:40
One advantage for tourists that the orange march brings is the chance for them to see Scotland's fattest, ugliest, most inbred and uneducated people.
59

Spiderdog,

Leith 31/03/2008 11:17:39
I look forward to the orange walk every year and take my kids along to watch. It's a great opportunity to warn them what can happen if they dont stick in at school. They especially enjoy the ugly wives parading along behind the knuckle draggers.
60

Satisfied Celt,

The 21st Century 28/05/2008 16:01:41
I wonder how many 9.00, 10.00 catholic masses will just happen to coincide with the march-route. Thats how they usually plan their itinery.

BTW why dont they ever have a mass UK rally in London, at say Westminster or Whitehall as they claim they are celebrating the Union? Oh I forgot, England is ashamed of them and wouldnt even consider it. They know it would end up like Manchester on the 14th May.

Remind them who won the SPL, they'll like that. LOL

61

macleod1873,

Fife 17/06/2008 09:22:05
63, I think you'll find there's Marches in London every year ya tube, Whats wrong with celebrating the Reformation of Britain which brought Democracy freedom of speech and RELIGIOUS FREEDOM to this country, allowed people to practice whatever religion they want. Whats bigoted about that??????

P.s whats Celtic winning the league got to do with the Orange Order??? Think your the bigot mate
62

Zoidberg,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 08:51:25
As an ex-soldier who served in Belfast in 1980 i find booth sides and their supporters despicable.They are as bad as each other.
63

Dòmhnall,

Balfron 13/07/2008 19:15:25
Ask an Orangeman what his theological objections to Catholicism are. Go on...it's hilarious.

On another note: those that seek to confute James Connolly marches and these Orange ones are completely wrong. James Connolly is a world famous figurehead for socialism; he fought a just cause. The Orange Order is fundamentally anti-Catholic and Orangemen are bigots. Do not talk of Mr Connolly in the same breath as this scum.

 

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