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Published Date: 02 June 2009
CYCLING is set to be reintroduced to Portobello Promenade after a near 20-year ban.
The restriction on bikes was put in place in the early 1990s after a number of collisions between pedestrians and cyclists along the sea front.

The new Edinburgh Coastal Promenade scheme, however, will see it opened to two wheels once again.

The promenade project aims to create a continuous 17km path between Joppa and Cramond but the 1km section at Portobello posed a problem for officials because of the cycling ban.

The move has been approved by the city's planning committee but city leaders today said they would be carrying out further public consultation.

Cycling campaigners today welcomed the plans, though local community activists said the move was likely to divide opinion in Portobello.

Seasoned Portobello campaigner Diana Cairns, who is member of the local community council, said: "It is a difficult one to find a balance because the promenade is one of the few areas in Portobello which is genuinely traffic free and you don't need to look around you.

"As a cyclist I can see the appeal of dropping the ban.

"But if it does happen they will need to have some sort of management process in place, like they do at The Meadows with the separate lanes, to try and police this.

"There are people who are already ignoring the ban and a lot of the problems would be avoided if cyclists used their bells properly."

The Edinburgh Coastal Promenade project would mirror similar projects in Nice, Blackpool and Copenhagen and provide room for walkers and cyclists.

Planned to be unravelled over a 30-year period, the council believes it will become a major draw for tourists. Included in the features along the 17km path will be barbecue facilities, restaurants, additional plazas, public art and even an iconic bridge joining Leith Docks and Western Harbour.

Gary Bell, who is the spokesman for cycling campaign group Spokes – which has been lobbying for the alteration in the policy for several years – said: "This is a very welcome development.

"You have to remember that the vast majority of cyclists are not hurtling along like David Millar at 40mph. They are aware of their surroundings.

"I would say that pedestrians and the 'faster pedestrians' which are cyclists can get along, just as they do elsewhere along the sea front."

A spokeswoman for the council added: "The council supports the use of the Edinburgh Coastal Promenade route as a continuous walkway and cycleway.

"The opportunities for a shared use of the route at Portobello need to be examined.

"A consultation on this proposal will be carried out."





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  • Last Updated: 02 June 2009 11:03 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

CharlieW,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 11:25:41
This is great news though, obviously, I blame the trams.
2

fcuk,

02/06/2009 12:02:45
The ban was ignored by cyclists anyway.
3

Porty Belle,

02/06/2009 12:16:02
The majority of cyclists on the prom are kids going to and from school. There are very few cyclists who behave irresponsibly by going too fast but of course, the minority spoil it for the many. Most cyclits are very aware of other prom users and slow down to go safely past. In fact, I would say that dogs off their leads are much more of a hazard to prom users than cyclists.
4

Linmal,

Livingston 02/06/2009 12:18:24
Cyclists are amongst the most ignorant people I know. Question - when is a cyclist not a cyclist? When he's a pedestrian. They ride on the pavement causing havoc. They sit in the middle of bus lanes causing havoc and generaly they are a pest. Can't see myself why anyone would want to cycle to work anyway. You get there all sweaty and unless there are facilities to change you have to stay like that all day. If cyclists behaved more responsibly then people would have more sympathy for them.
5

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 02/06/2009 12:19:10
People have always cycled on the prom not giving a damn,now it will be chaos,get cycle wardens on bikes to control them.
6

aurorablue,

02/06/2009 12:25:15
i got told off by a policeman for cycling along there, at the time I wasn't aware there was a ban 'cos there were so may cyclists using the route. Now it will be utter chaos on sunny days. Weegies running round like headless chickens, cyclists clipping wee kids ankles, sewage galore, etc. Thankfully I don't live in Porty now!
7

Bob 2,

02/06/2009 12:27:44
the problem is the Spokes map indicates that it can be used by cyclists.

4 Linmal

found this comment on the transport pages

me150,15/04/2009 18:07:13

"Many cyclist flaunt the law.

Many motorists flaunt the law.

It seems that when these two get together there is hell to pay.

It also seems that when they are not together everything is fine.

Problem: Idiot cyclists AND idiot car drivers.

NOT ALL cyclists and NOT ALL drivers.

Being a driver or a cyclist should not immediately put you into one of the aggrieved brackets as is the norm.

Have respect for fellow road users and abide by the law and these issues do not arise."


You'll find that cyclist sit out from the Kerb for safety reasons, try cyling around Edinburgh and you'll soon find out,
8

Bob 2,

02/06/2009 12:30:52
If motorist behaved more responsibly then people would have more sympathy for them.

Only this morning, I stopped as a lorry ahead was starting to reverse.

I could have been like some road users and kept going, but the driver acknowleged I had stopped.

So we are not all that bad.

as someone said, there is no such thing as a perfect driver, is there?

so roll on all the Anti Cyclist comments, but remember it works both ways!
9

Randan,

02/06/2009 12:32:33
I used to cycle with my son, I had no idea there was a ban.
I never saw any problems, most people were going at a reasonable speed.
10

Foo,

02/06/2009 12:39:59
I was there last weekend cycling. I had no idea there was a ban.
11

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:43:02
Just another example of the 'green nod'.

Why not establish a seperated track for the specific use of cyclists as cyclists and pedestrians just don't mix safely.
12

Pizzanonsense,

02/06/2009 12:43:13
#3 Spot on
#5 If cyclists have always cycled on the prom, why will it be chaos now?
13

tsongkhapa,

EDINBURGH 02/06/2009 12:49:41
THERE WAS A BAN?
14

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:51:19
Correct, there was a ban?

No, if bike traffic increases we can expect more accidents again.

I may start poking a stick through their spokes.
15

Bored,

02/06/2009 12:52:23
To those cyclists who didn't know there was a ban, I strongly suggest that you brush up on your highway code. There are no cycling signs at every entrance and along the promednade.
16

Foo,

02/06/2009 12:54:44
#14

If you did that to me you could expect me to poke my fist through your teeth.

#15
No there aren't.
17

Foo,

02/06/2009 13:03:55
The cycle map produced by edinburgh council, lists the north part of the prominade as a cycle route.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/transport/walking_and_cycling/cycling/cec_cycling_around_edinburgh_1.htm

(north east map)
18

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/06/2009 13:04:42
I've never seen a no cycling sign there; and there are always cyclists. Curious.
19

Angus R,

02/06/2009 13:05:12
#15 Exactly!! There are numerous signs on display which just goes to show those that some cyclists just don't have a clue about the rules of the road (or promenade).
20

Bob 2,

02/06/2009 13:07:05
funny there are road signs all around edinburgh, that road users tend to ignore, hence the need for "speed cameras", being one example
21

Foo,

02/06/2009 13:13:33
Anyway, the ban's being lifted so cycling is not fair game anyway.
22

seanie,

02/06/2009 13:19:30
There are no cycling signs on just about every lampost along the prom, but they only put those up within the last couple of years.
23

Spathiphyllum,

02/06/2009 13:22:55
When I saw the POLICE CYCLING along Portobello Prom one day, I stopped bothering about whether it was allowed or not !

As long as people are considerate, there is no problem.
24

Spathiphyllum,

02/06/2009 13:23:17
Oh, and they were going faster than me, too.
25

Bob 2,

02/06/2009 13:25:38
17 foo, think you'll find that they are refering to the stretch from the Toilets on the east to the bowling centre
26

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:26:38
How are you so sure that I have any.
27

PaulB,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:27:26
Why the need for more public consultation? People already cycle along there - just draw a line along the middle and keep them seperate from people on foot - problem solved - it works in the Meadows and other areas. And a beach prom is an excellent place to go for a clycle ride.
28

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:30:12
23

But there is a problem, Cyclists are very very inconsiderate.

Foo demonstrates nicely in post 16 their mindset. Violent, self centred wallies who think they are special cos they have a nice bike and get exercise.
29

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/06/2009 13:31:16
#15 There may be 'no cycling' signs up all over the prom but the advice from the police to the Portobello Community Council was that they could find nothing to back this up and make it enforceable. It seems to be only the Council that think cycling on the Prom is illegal - not the Police.
30

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:31:29
#4 Linmal
Your posts in the past have usually been fair and observational but your generalisations about cyclists are ridiculous!
Because someone CHOOSES to cyle from a2b rather than walk/drive they are now ignorant! Ignorant of what?

When's a cyclist not a cyclist, when HE'S a pedestrian. So alll cyclists are males?

They ride on the pavement causing havoc. As an adult cyclist I have NEVER ridden on a pavement that was intended solely for pedestrians, i.e NOT a shared use path.

They sit in the middle of bus lanes causing havoc. I don't know a bus lane on my route that is wide enough to safely accomodate a cyclist AND a bus, the bus, if going faster, has to cross the solid white line to get by. I personally don't sit in the middle of any lane but I can see why some cyclists do, and it's NOT illegal.

Generally thay are a pest. Erm, generally how?

Sweaty etc, I'm lucky enough to have shower and changing facilities but not all cyclist are as unfit as me so not all perspire like Niagra. I know we have had unusually hot weather recently, buy my fellow colleagues who do not cycle stank of sweat after their commute to work by public transport, I didn't complain once!

If cyclists behaved more responsibly then people would have more sympathy for them. So let me get this correct, if I behave myself like an angel, and if I get knocked off my bike by whoever then then, and only then, would you have sympathy for me!?! Nah, forget it. I'll obey all the applicable laws of the road but I will cycle in a manner that keeps me as safe as possible. If that means I don't earn your sympathy, then I'm sure I'll live with it.

31

Logie Almond,

02/06/2009 13:33:35
Unfortunately the unintended consequence of right-to-roam legislation is that cycle paths whether on the Promenade or in the Meadows can't be enforced.
32

Grumpy,

02/06/2009 13:34:38
All we need now is for theconucil to erect traffic lights on the prom so that cyclists can feel at home by going through the ones at red....
33

It's heading straight for us!,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 13:45:10
When I do the School run from Leith to Merchiston I generally have to swear at a car driver around 3 times a week - i've only had to swear at two cyclists in 3 years and this route takes in some very busy cycling areas.

when I cycled the route I had to swear at car drivers every 100 yds!

curious...


34

Mince Pie Supper,

02/06/2009 13:47:14
Horaay! Ban lifted for cyclists, now lets get the car ban lifted.
35

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:08:09
#28 reincarnated,

Cyclists are 'green' don't you know, so that makes it all OK, even for the dangerous and aggresive ones of which there are far too many.

Seperate cyclists from pedestrians by providing tracks specifically for cyclists.

36

elmwood,

porty 02/06/2009 14:09:49
what class will the mobility scooters be in? Pedestrian or cyclist? I have had many a fright by cyclists passing at speed from behind me a slight deviation on my part or theirs and a nasty accident could have occurred. Surely it is all down to respect for other users of the promenade - wheel chairs, prams, children & the elderly!
37

Foo,

02/06/2009 14:10:27
28 reincarnated

More I think it highlights your stupidity. You suggest sticking things through peoples spokes and yet when I say you'd get a punch for it suddenly I'm the oafish thug?

Have you any idea the damage you'd do to someone bringing them off their bike like that?

Mouth breathers like you shouldn't be allowed to walk on promenades.
38

Angus R,

02/06/2009 14:17:50
#33 - is that not 'Road rage' which you could be prosecuted for?
39

Renaissance,

02/06/2009 14:34:07
Strange how some people think cyclists are dangerous. UK motorists kill around 80 people a year on the pavement alone! Most car journeys are under 2 miles - if you choose to use 1.5 tonnes of steel to get there you are way more dangerous than someone using a 10 kilo bike!
40

Linmal,

Livingston 02/06/2009 14:39:08
#30 I think you are slightly over-reacting here! I commute to work by bus each day and frequently see cyclists behaving totally irresponsibly, ie not signalling, riding their bikes very slowly in front of buses with no thought of pulling into the side.

The worst thing I came across was one morning while I was crossing Charlotte Square - I was well over half way across when a cyclist came from behind me at speed and missed me by inches. He swore at me! How was I supposed to see him? Eyes in the back of my head? I checked before crossing and there was nothing coming, he was in the wrong, but I could well have been injured. If that isn't ill-mannered and selfish, I don't know what is.
41

Linmal,

Livingston 02/06/2009 14:42:03
PS Not to mention dangerous! I have no problem with anyone as long as they have consideration for others, as I myself do. Not just cyclists, everyone, if we took a bit more care towards our fellow man it would be a much better world to live in.
42

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:58:05
#40 Linmal
I have no intention of starting keyboard tennis, as I said originally, your previous posts have been balanced and non-inflammatory, but I think it was your post that was over reactionary if not exaggerated.

Not all cyclists are idiots, only the few, but it is those few that tarnish my image as a considerate cyclist and it is the perceived idea that all cyclists are **inconsiderate eco warriors that break all laws and stink of sweat in their cubicles** that peeves me so!

Although it is not the law, consideration for other road users - slow bike+faster bus - seems like a good idea but it isn't always practical. Every time a bike pulls in to let a bus pass they'll will almost certainly pass them at the next bust stop. This kind of pedal/bus leapfrog can be quite hazardous.
Although I hold a decent position from the kerb, I can almost guarantee that I haven't held buses up as once I pass them on various legs of my journey, they very rarely overtake me again, and no, they're not all queued up behind me ;-)
As for your Charlotte Sq incident, swearing at anyone is never the answer. You may not have seen the cyclist, a la SMIDSY, but that doesn't take away from the fact that pedestrians are at the top of the food chain when it comes to road law. All road users must surely give way to peds once they have started crossing the road?
43

Refusenik,

biking on the prom 02/06/2009 15:04:04
Someone said that dogs off the lead are more dangerous than bikes - in what way! Seocondly, when i moved to the area some years ago I checked with the local police station to see if it was ok to cycle and they said go ahead. Also there is a cycling sign just at the indoor bowls. I once got shouted at by a pedestrian on the prom for cycling - it was the middle of winter in the morning and she was the only one about - talk about prom rage!
44

Linmal,

Livingston 02/06/2009 15:13:36
#43 You must be in the minority. However, you are to be praised if, indeed, you are this considerate. Its just a shame other cyclists are not. I have frequently encountered cyclists riding their bikes on the pavement and very often at the West End. Its hard enough trying to cross roads without that. Lets agree to differ.
45

Foo,

02/06/2009 15:21:26
42

I've never heard anything so stupid in my life.
46

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 15:29:41
#36 elmwood,porty

"what class will the mobility scooters be in? Pedestrian or cyclist?"

Daleks?
47

Kjell Olofsson 2nd May 1998 (72, 78 mins),

Sweden 02/06/2009 15:31:44
The last time I was down Porty prom, it wasn't the cyclists causing the problems. It was over weight people rolling about the prom trying to decide whether to eat the poke of chips or the ice cream first. Mon the cyclists!
48

roadstohell,

02/06/2009 15:56:13
Can we have a "common sense" approach to all this ?
I mean there are many areas where pedestrians & cyclists peacefully co-exist, I'm thinking now of the towpath along the canal. A 6mph speed limit has for cyclists has been very succesful there.
49

CharlieW,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 16:01:16
What a lot of hot air over about 1km of path. Some folks won't be happy until every last square meter of this town is given over to the mighty motor car. If you numpty petrol heads actually got out of your wee metal cages once in a while you might see some sense. Muppets!
50

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 16:03:08
#45 Linmal,Livingston

I agree with you, there are too many adult cyclists who flaunt the law and cycle at will along pavements, I've seen them do it in Princes Street when the pavements have been really full of people.

Unfortunately revoking this bye-law could be the thin edge of the wedge as cyclists are currently required by law to dismount and push bikes on pavements. Is there now a danger that the law might be further changed to let them cycle where they wish, without fear or favour.

Perhaps it is time to pass laws enforcing cyclists to be registered and carry third party insurance (just as with cars, etc) Why should cyclists be exempt? They can collide with someone and simply walk or ride away.
51

roadstohell,

02/06/2009 16:03:10
Ban the Car
52

roadstohell,

02/06/2009 16:07:36
Ban pedestrians from the prom, they constitute more of a serious threat to cyclists than vice versa
53

Andrew Saint,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 16:32:53
The two-wheeled hooligans win again!
54

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 16:56:09
#53 roadstohell

Only if pedestrians are wearing suits of armour does your hypothesis apply.

While there are many decent law-abiding cyclists, there are too many 'flymen/women' who cycle dangerously on pavements and elsewhere.

In my view this bye-law should not have been revoked and following any accidents it will be interesting to see if during litigation the Council are not found guilty of neglect of care.

55

Foo,

02/06/2009 16:59:57
The two-wheeled heroes win again!
56

Foo,

02/06/2009 17:01:09
55

That's not a bad idea. Only let pedestrians fully clad in suits of armour on the prom.
57

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:02:39
foo.

Bin the bike - get a sense of humour.
58

calum,

02/06/2009 17:15:50
#42 - You forgot the mustard gas, the thud of police batons on skulls and whipping with a "war pistol" .... the medication must have worn off in Gorgie.
59

Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:18:08
Let's repeat that there is no ban in force at the moment. As someone else pointed out, a (perhaps unintended) consequence of the right-to-roam legislation is that cyclists are allowed to cycle pretty much wherever they want (not sure about the pavements though) and it may even be illegal to prevent them from doing so. I'm not necessarily saying that this is always a good thing (you get quite a lot of people cycling through the Hermitage of Braid for example, which is kind of annoying), but it is in fact the law. There is nothing to prevent people from cycling along the prom at present (and as long as people cycle with consideration it seems pretty harmless), so it's not clear what this story is saying.
60

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:19:13
#57 Foo,

A bit hot in Summer though don't you think and probably damaned cold in Winter. Still, armour would certainly ward off the sweaty cyclists on the prom and keep us pedestrians relatively safe from them.
61

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:24:27
#60 Plodjfriss,

I think you'll find that the right to roam legislation also states that cyclists, walkers, etc have to act both responsibly and in accordance with the counrty code, etc. Now, not every cyclist/walker, etc behaves responsibly which is why I personally think that revoking this law is not a good idea where cycling on the prom is concerned.

62

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 17:46:39
#62 Peter
It has already been highlighted elsewhere, but there is no law dictating cycling is not allowed on the prom.
There is signage (although not sufficient) and the highway code states that all road users etc should follow all applicable signage. The problem is, the signs are NOT backed by bye-laws. The same applies to the paths that criss-cross the meadows. It was highlighted a couple of years back in the EEN. As infuriating as it may be, it's just like those people who knowingly park on double yellow lines but get off with technicalities like incorrect signage or the lines not being 'barred' off.
Irrespective of the pro's and con's right to roam legislation brought, if more persons of the public acted, as you say, in a responsible manner, then there would be no need for these rules in the first place.

Incidentally, even though I am enthusiastic about cycling, I always get my daughter to dismount off her training bike with stabilisers and encourage her to push it through the busier areas of the promenade between Joppa and Seafield. I'm not concerned so much about her having an accident with another prom user, it's more the fact that I don't want to bring her up thinking all elderly people have a complete look of disgust permanently on their face, as that is exactly what she is greeted by, whether it's there or at the other side of the city at Crammond. There's very little tolerance out there at all these days!
63

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 18:12:02
#63 Speedy Gonzales,

"It has already been highlighted elsewhere, but there is no law dictating cycling is not allowed on the prom."

Speedy, the very first line of this article states:

"CYCLING is set to be reintroduced to Portobello Promenade after a near 20-year ban."

To me this indicates that there was most definitely a ban but this has now been revoked?

Thanks for teaching your daughter good habits and safe cycling practice, I'm sure you're both a responsible human being and cyclist.

Re Cramond prom(cycling has been premitted there for many years), my wife was very badly injured by a cyclist on the prom there some years ago, he came flying up behind and crashed straight into her severely damaging her left knee (she has some difficulty walking now). Of course he didn't hang about once he realised that he had severely injured someone - up and off, the cretan.


64

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 19:20:26
#64
See post #29
I know this doesn't help the image of cyclists, but there is no LAW saying cyclists can't cycle on any part of the law.
I don't know the complete ins and outs of it, but the council have to vote in and pass bye-laws to enforce these kind of exclusions such as no cycling or no ball games. Just because someone puts a sign up doesn't make it legal! A perfect example is the Maybury Road. It has been signed 40 MPH at the Northern end for ages but did it not transpire a couple of years back that the official limit was NSL as per the highway agency or civil drawings. It then turned out that anyone charged with a speegin offence in relation to the 40 MPH sign could appeal for a refund and get their licenses reinstated.
Complete bonkers but fact.
Signs mean nothing if not backed by law.
Incidentally, I don't know which signs are legal, which aren't so I will obey all signs until told otherwise!
65

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 19:21:54
#65
speegin is mad cyclist speak for speeding, something again I don't do ;-)
66

seanie,

02/06/2009 19:58:51
It's been mentioned before, but the local police Inspector informed the Community Council a while back that, as far as he was aware, there was no legal bar to cycling on the promenade. There may've been a bye-law at some point but it wasn't legally enforceable.

The Council took a different view and decided to put lots of extra 'no cycling' signs up shortly afterwards.

67

brianmca3,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:03:14
i remember going to cycle through the hermitage at the morningside end,a woman was doing a survey on uses of the hermitage of braid,so i was doing it when an old coffin dodger joined in
when asked about cycling in the hermitage,i said it would be fine as long as no one raced through it,old coffin dodger said cyling should be banned,where upon a lady cyclist came round the bend at the bridge,i said oh aye what about her,coffin dodger said i know her shes a safe cyclist
in other words she only wanted morningsiders using the hermitage,so i told her in no certain terms,not to be a stuck up snob,as it was there for all
when reaching the entrance to the quary at blackford,a police car was waiting,saying i had been racing through,at breakneck speed,yes the old rat ,had phone them and lied
so i told no i hadnt as no one was in the hermitage on my way through,and i wasnt speeding due to dogs always being off the lead,and small kids
told them charge her with wasting police time,crabbit auld bit aye all fur coat and nae nickys
68

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:29:59
#68

Speaking as a "coffin-dodger", I have to say that I couldn't make head nor tail of your illiterate comment.

Learn some grammar. It'll stand you better stead in life than riding a bike.
69

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:40:39
I'm worried about My Hero Gorgie_Tony, he seems to be mellowing. Maybe I could be his Deputy. Oh deepjoy !

Can I suggest that these cyclists should be arrested, their bicycles confiscated, and then crushed. With a big crushing machine.

Then crush their bicycles too.

70

MrsD22,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:41:16
It is possible for cyclists and pedestrians to share routes, such as the Prom, and the Meadows if everyone is sensible about it. I consider myself a safe, responsible cyclist, but am often subjected to verbal abuse from pedestrians, who are walking on the cycle path, through the Meadows. Like the Prom, it is wide enough for everyone. The biggest problem is dogs off leads, children running around and pedestrians deliberately walking on the cycle path.
71

MrsD22,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 21:45:49
33
School run - Leith to Merchiston?!
72

The real dracula,

02/06/2009 22:01:30
Flippin marvellous I already spend time dodging cyclists on the prom at musselburgh now we will have hoards of the selfish inconsiderate gits in portobello . I give up cant be bothered ruining a nice walk with the 2 wheeled maniacs.
73

Porty Belle,

02/06/2009 22:25:33
#44 Refusenik - I posted comments about dogs. If you have ever been along in the morning just after school drop off time you will see anywhere between 10 to 20 dogs charging about all over the place, totally out of their owners' control as they have fun with the other dogs - as dogs do. I feel they are dangerous as dogs are pack animals and can (and have recently) snapped atand bitten people. And don't get me started on the dog mess! But I digress - the subject is cycling. I occasionally take my kids to school along prom by bike: they are very aware of pedestrians and always considerate. I have taught them that no-one should have to slow down or change direction because of them - wish the dog owners could train their dogs the same way!
74

fairyface,

Porto 02/06/2009 23:54:02
ooooooooooops, did not know there was a ban. There is room for all, make it a bike go slow area, and pedestrians come first.Dogs are more of a problem, one knocked me of my bike. KEEP EM ON THE LEAD ON THE PROM.
75

Burgh Gal,

02/06/2009 23:54:51

Having read and laughed at a good number of the comments here, I have come to realise that a good number of people may benefit from being less uptight about life. Live and let live. As someone who regularly cycles along the prom at Portobello (and yes I have seen the signs and taken note) I consider myself to be a considerate cyclist. I am aware of difficulties when the prom is busy and the hazard presented by myself. (I often avoid it when I know it will be like this) I would also acknowledge the points raised about dogs running about off the lead, but we all need to exist together. I really don't think reopening the path to cyclists is unreasonable as long as everyone is sensible.
...and to the person who made comment no 42 will this apply to the children cycling along the prom??? I suggest you maybe go for a nice relaxing cycle along the prom to calm down! ;-)
76

Burgh Gal,

03/06/2009 00:10:32

Oh, and another thing while I'm on my soap box....I cycled along the prom on Tuesday morning after the nice weather, when many people visited and enjoyed the beach. Unfortunately I didn't enjoy the sight of all the vast quantities of litter left behind...perhaps this might be a more relevant point for all those that want to to get worked up about.........
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S.M.D.,

EH 03/06/2009 09:42:18
Amazing on how many folk here are that much against cyclist!
I do agree, that there are some who don't abide by the rules,but let's face it, there are a few everywhere,how give the rest a bad name [there are a lot more car users ,who don't stick to 20 and 30 mph limits, than there are 'dangerous' cyclists].
The cycling laws in Uk as a whole should be changed to the same as in Holland, sooner rather than later, then at least it would be safer on the roads and more folk would actually cycle, in particular those,who are shouting off about others cycling, and they 'have' to use their polluting car to get anywhere.
Fine for those not fit or able to cycle,but there are many folk very fit [no doubt going to their daily gym] ,who could cycle,but just won't.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 10:21:47
#78 S.M.D.,

I gather that in Holland the cycle is the 'King of the Road' and indeed, as far as I can make out the pavements also. Sorry, I would NOT like to see that happen here.

As far as I am aware, cyclists (certainly adult ones) are not allowed to cycle on pavements other than inallocated cycle lanes. Now, I have no problem with that and indeed would be happy to support such changes just to keep cyclists from cycling amongst pedestrians.

I don't know what the 'law' in this country is coming to, but 'when I were a lad' anyone caught cycliing on pavements or without lights got done. Absolutely nothing happens to such offenders now, possibly down to the 'Green' factor and the fact that cyclists are not registered in any way or form which I believe to be totally biased and unfair.

In general, I am not surpurised that so many folk are biased against cyclists and I am convinced that the law needs to be tightened up and put into effect against offenders (both parties if peds stray into cycle lanes for example).




 

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