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Published Date:
22 May 2007
NEW city council leader Jenny Dawe today branded designs for a landmark building in the Caltongate development "grotesque and hideous", raising further questions about the future of the £300 million project.
The Liberal Democrat suggested the designs drawn up by one of Scotland's leading architects, Malcolm Fraser, for the Old Town site were completely out of keeping with the area.

The modern-looking building - up to six storeys high - would house shops, offices, a restaurant with a terrace cafe, and a bar or nightclub, opposite the new council headquarters on Market Street. The city leader's opposition is the strongest sign yet that the developers are likely to face redrawing large parts of their plans.

Cllr Dawe said: "I'm not anti-development at all. However, I do believe that any development must respect the heritage of the city. Malcolm Fraser is a very well known and respected architect and I was astounded to discover he was behind those images which appeared in the Evening News last week. The images were just grotesque and hideous.

"I would've expected someone of his reputation to produce something a bit more sympathetic to its surroundings, but they were pretty gross."

Cllr Dawe also raised concerns about the approach of developers Mountgrange, who are bringing a series of detailed plans to the council, covering separate parts of the development. Other parts of the project include proposals for 200 homes, a five-star hotel and a new public square.

"I don't like the way that the developers of the Caltongate scheme have decided to chop it up into small bits rather than take forward one big masterplan," she said.

Mr Fraser has won a string of awards for major projects including the Dance Base complex in the Grassmarket. He said his designs would repair "19th-century vandalism", when part of a historic route between the Royal Mile and the top of Leith Walk was demolished to form Jeffrey Street.

Mountgrange spokesman Mark Cummings said: "We have written to each of the new group leaders offering them a presentation on our detailed proposals."

Concerns have been raised that the proposed building would block some views down the Waverley Valley from both Jeffrey Street and Market Street.

Cllr Dawe has come under fire from Labour councillors after ensuring Liberal Democrat and SNP councillors formed the majority of member of the new planning committee.

While she has insisted Lib Dems will not be ordered to follow a party line on planning matters, her comments are thought likely to influence councillors.

Julie Logan, spokeswoman for the Save Our Old Town protest group, said: "It's a nonsense to say Jeffrey Street is incomplete, it's been deliberately left open like that, and there's nothing at all wrong with the way it looks."

The city's Labour leader, Councillor Ewan Aitken, said: "I don't want to comment on any images without seeing the fine detail of what is proposed.

"But it seems sensible to me for a developer to take things piece by piece with a very large scheme rather than try to push the whole thing through.

"The Caltongate scheme would appear to offer a major opportunity to regenerate this part of the Old Town."

• A public meeting is to be held to discuss the latest plans for the Caltongate development.

Details of the latest planning applications submitted by developer Mountgrange will be put on display at the Old Town Community Council's event.

The Augustine United Church, on George IV Bridge, is playing host to the meeting on Thursday, at 6.15pm.

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  • Last Updated: 22 May 2007 10:54 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

Fred,

22/05/2007 11:08:35

Are they the portacabins for the construction people ?

2

Statsman,

22/05/2007 11:13:04

Is sense now breaking out in the council?

3

aleex,

22/05/2007 11:28:27

Is it going to be the case that everytime the Lib Dems or SNP say something, that tired old Ewan Aitken is going to criticise them?

5

Old Town Resident,

22/05/2007 11:40:51

see www.eh8.org.uk for Save Our Old Town Campaign
Loved the Portocabin link number 3

6

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22/05/2007 11:44:49
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7

Declan,

Glasgow 22/05/2007 11:51:42

Looks dreadful

8

boudica,

Glasgow 22/05/2007 12:03:03

I think this architect hasnt done his research as it is well known that the buildings built iin the sixties were horrendous and this monstrosity is the same ..remember Cumbernauld this building would fit in that nightmare of a place , he should go and look at the Buildings in The New Gorbals modern but simular in a fashion to the Old Buildings that used to be there , it is of the same ilk as The Scottish Parliament and that is a mess , Edinburgh should retain its olde worlde look after all that is what brings in the Tourist as Prince Charlie would say it is another carbunkle ... and yep it does look like an over priced Portacabin ..

9

TheGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 12:03:38

#1 It looks as if you could be right....

One thing that really annoys me is how people label architects as 'the best' or 'oneof Scotland's leading' etc... the more they think this, the more bizzarre they attempt to be.
We do not need architects that far up their own backside designing our city. Get the job done in keepign with the style and save the experiments for new towns our out of town retail parks. Arty farty bastrds.

10

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 22/05/2007 12:34:03

"grotesque and hideous", raising further questions about the future of the £300 million project.

What is wrong here?

11

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD,

Dar-Es-Salaam Tanzania 22/05/2007 12:36:21

BIT BY BIT: Mountgrange's vision, including a new look for East Market Street, has led to accusations of a piecemeal approach
The photo shows some containers but these are not his are they. If they are then the piecemeal is the right word, slowly slowly pinch by pinch
"Where there is no imagination there is no horror."


I thank you.

Firozali A.Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 6044
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania

12

Ted,

22/05/2007 12:43:00

Thank god this mad scheme looks like it'll be stopped. The demolitions are the worst part - the Victorian school, the houses etc. The new buildings aren't that bad: they'd look ok... at the Gyle.

13

Arnie,

Newington 22/05/2007 13:15:01

It does look awful, almost as if made out of lego. Also the new building the Uni is putting up at Buccleuch Street is equally as bad but nobody ever comments on that.

14

Name,

22/05/2007 13:16:46

Unlesss they can come up with a design that is truely exceptional the old buildings should stay. They already have enough land on the old car park site surely?!

15

Toast,

22/05/2007 13:23:50

Architects are one of the biggest problems in this country,all fancy ideas and no commonsense

16

ikonoclast,

22/05/2007 13:33:20

I blame to Danes.
Britain has such great engineers because they were all given Meccano as kids.
Sadly, the architects were all given Lego...

17

fimo,

22/05/2007 13:47:12

It's appalling. It destroys the Edinburgh's heritage and the reasons tourists come to this wonderful city. If we continue to devastate the city in this way, there will be no reason to come here.

New buildings can look great - there are loads of examples in the city. This is not one of them.

Recent events have shown that we can remove people who are responsible for agreeing to actions that are not supported by the people who elected them into this position in the first place.

Let us hope that those now in power recognise this point.

18

Jock McSpock,

edb 22/05/2007 13:52:19

Awful, absolutely awful architecture. Seems like hideous edges, angles, and glass are the new concrete (cf the 60's). The architect responsible clearly has no desire to leave a legacy, only to become notorious and wealthy in his own time. How sad.

I hope that the new administration in Edinburgh council realize that this is one of the many aspects that Edinburgh's citizen's were unhappy with the entrenchant Labour.

19

Evie,

Back Door Holyrood 22/05/2007 13:54:46

That's the most hideous design ever. Looks like a building site office that they forgot to take down once building was finished. Market Street Should be protected from this dribble. The shops along the street are historical. My gt gt Grandfather had a butchers shop there in 1841.

20

measured and tethered,

Phoenix 22/05/2007 13:58:46

Every one of you narrow minded, visionless, miserable, architectural bigots , from Jenny Dawe out,is an embarrassment to Scotland. This building is exactly what Edinburgh needs. Why must everything fit in with 400 year old relics. Do you live in the past, not have cell phones? not want your city to be considered a jewel of postmodern and traditional juxtaposing of the most avant garde engineering and building techniques? Edinburgh needs to have cutting edge architecture if it is ever to be anything more than a stultified museum living on the olden, faded glories of hundreds of years ago and it needn't always have to look like it was built during the reformation. I cannot bear this nasty, Parochial, traditionalist attitude to modernity, preventing any form of evolution or progressive thinking. Why shouldn't Leith have skyscrapers and why shouldn't we have buildings in the centre of Edinburgh that don't necessarily shock, horror, fit in with what is there already? So long as new developments augment and enhance the larger picture. Edinburghs skyline should be protected but not at the cost of it remaining stuck in the past, this isn't Brig o' doon Have some passion, some risk, some evolution for god's sake"!

21

Tam O' Shanter,

22/05/2007 14:02:11

#21
Say whit ye mean,noo!
Dinnae sit oan the fence.

22

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 14:15:03

21.
You mean like this example of planning in Phoenix.

http://pdphoto.org/jons/pictures4/roadtrip_23_bg_021604.jpg

23

fimo,

22/05/2007 14:19:13

Does anyone know the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes?

This, and the Scottish Parliament are very good examples

24

Ecco Warrier,

Embrra 22/05/2007 14:27:39

Jim Lowrie ,Chair o Planning, Lucky if we get a brick wa built.
Wur doomed to years of inactivity.

25

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 14:31:36

Does it take place in Marchmont?

26

measured and tethered,

Phoenix 22/05/2007 14:35:03

SARCASM, I was expecting that kind of droll, condescending ,anti american response. Not only predictable but pathetic! You prove my point
Different cities entirely, incomparable. In terms of an American city Phoenix is a great example and I find that image beautiful. If you have any idea how inspiring, how uplifting, how incredibly powerful the image of Phoenix, New York or Chicago is, rising into the sky you would realise these places invoke the culmination of dreams, of progress and of our greatest hopes and ambitions made real in the soaring architecture. They are Breathtaking modern cities. You don't want some of that magic for your own city? No probably not, you want to remain in your metaphoric Skara Brae, hidden from modernity, resistant to the march of time and fading into obscurity in terms of being a vigorous, contentious and relevent city on the architectural landscape. I am not saying that 1500 ft skyscrapers should tower over the castle. I am saying there is room for these kinds of inspiring buildings in a European city that can bring together the best of Scottish engineering and vision for contemporary design with the beauty of the past and be a world leader in the field. I hoped that was what Edinburgh could be, but with people like you and 10, 14, 15, 16 and your like spouting off your sarcastic and unhelpful retrograde opinions maybe Edinburgh is destined to lose any hope of reinvention or progression and become nothing but a relic, visited by tourists for nothing more than it's ancient, creaking history and crumbling presence. It will go nowhere without creativity, risk and taking a chance, pretty much like most of the people on this forum.

27

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 14:38:33

#21 measured and tethered, Phoenix

If you really are from Phoenix, Arizona, then you are far enough away from this potential disaster for it not to matter or for it to have any effect on you.

Also, if you are from Arizona (USA) may I suggest that this is absolutely none of your business!!

28

Name,

22/05/2007 14:56:40

#29 Everybody has a right of opinion on this even if they live in Gla$gow ;)

29

ikonoclast,

22/05/2007 14:59:32

29.
Spot on, Peter. I wish he was "measured and tethered and gagged".
You can always identify the over-opinionated by their inability to express themselves succinctly.

30

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 15:03:46

#30 Name

"Everybody has a right of opinion on this even if they live in Gla$gow ;"

Gla$gow - is that anywhere Phoenix? Or has #measured and tethered" just carried out a state-side buy-out?

31

measured and tethered,

Phoenix 22/05/2007 15:06:46

I am from Fife. I am visiting Phoenix and I live in New York. I was educated in Edinburgh and have strong connections to the city. I hoped the manner of my writing might suggest to you that I care deeply about Edinburgh but maybe that escaped your limited attention. Therefore you may not suggest that it is none of my business. I would happily return to live in Scotland if I wasn't reminded on a daily basis of the unnerving parochial climate that can surface there in that particuarly Scottish way. Even if I was from Phoenix and had nothing to do with Scotland why might it not be my business to comment if I took an interest in European architecture? Why might my opinion not count in a heavily one sided and narrow debate? No, the real 'potential disaster' is people with your views gaining any kind of say in future decisions about Edinburgh!

32

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 15:08:33

28.
Heritage is a new thing to you, don't worry it'll get there eventually.
Time and a place, and it's the wrong place, fairly simple really. That's not to say that modern architecture doesn't have a place in the city but it's the wrong location. Don't let that get in the way of a huge generalisation though.

We have something unique in the centre of Edinburgh, something worth maintaining.

Your cringe worthy dialogue does nothing to support your argument which basically consists of I know best, why can't you see that.

Your most relevant quote is "Different cities entirely, incomparable"

On the plus side then there's little chance of you visiting.

33

measured and tethered,

Phoenix 22/05/2007 15:08:58

Ikonoclast. If only you were!

34

measured and tethered,

Phoenix 22/05/2007 15:14:34

Sarcastic, I suggest you learn to read properly. I am from Scotland. Your zenophobic attitude is predictable and sounds suspiciously like the opinion of someone who, even into adulthood still lives with his mother. Heritage means a lot to me. There IS something special in the middle of Edinburgh and I would like to see it enhanced, not squandered on shoring up out of date opinions like yours.

35

DC,

22/05/2007 15:15:55

Cllr Dawe said: "I'm not anti-development at all."

Yes, you are, Jenny. The Shameless Opportunist Party are especially anti-development in any part of Edinburgh which might lose the Fib Dems even one vote. Fib Dems, alias "Nimbys 'r Us".

I don't know whether or not this is the right scheme for Market Street. I do know that whatever scheme is proposed, the Fib Dems will oppose it as "the wrong scheme at the wrong time" or some such weaselly pish.

Four years to return Edinburgh to Gapsite City. You've made the expected flying start, Fib Dems.

36

Shy Talk,

22/05/2007 15:20:53

#36.
Getting a little frothy-mouthed now, aren't we? Who are you trying to convince? Us, or yourself?

37

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 15:22:30

36.
"Your cringe worthy dialogue does nothing to support your argument which basically consists of I know best, why can't you see that"

38

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 15:22:46

#33 measured and tethered

I think it's just as well that you stay away from Scotland, we wouldn't like your 'broad' opinions to count in any argument or discussions.

Unfortunately it is we, the tax payers of this counntry who usually end up with the bill after over-enthusiastic 'developers' have bungled and vanished over the event horizon (uusually at a velocity just above that of light).

39

TheGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 15:26:21

measured and tethered (loads of posts) I take it you've not been to Cumbernauld or Livingston? I Take it you've not actually seen the Scottish parliament building from the outside? How about the 1960's concrete buildings on Princes St or the Royal Mile?
All these places/buildings were hailed as modern masterpieces. They all look terrible. The point peopel are making is that they do not want to see further damage to the old town ambience that certain bits of Edinburgh has. Liek it or not, it is an ancient city and some of us woudl rather keep it feeling like that.
Have you seen the St Mungo museum of religious life and art in Glasgow? This is a new building right across from the medieval Cathedral but has been built in the style of old and is an amazing building. There is just no need to get the latest fad becuase that is all it is - a fad. Ya fud ;-)

( Just becasue some arty farty dude says it will look good if you let a monkey sh1te on your face doesn't mean that you should let it happen).

40

Arnie,

Newington 22/05/2007 15:31:07

Regarding the old v new debate, I don't think its about old v new its about good v bad. I like the addition to the museum which is good but the parliament building is ugly and therefore bad. This looks like a portacabin and I hope it never sees the light of day.

41

measured and tethered,

phoenix 22/05/2007 15:31:40

Oh you people. My countrymen! And so offended by one who has left and has diffierent opinions to yours, so indignant that I should stay away and not comment. So disappointing. The usual biase against expats and those who have done something different, you truly are going backwards. Why can't you just look up for a moment and see how stuck you are.

Good luck with your new building whatever you end up with.

42

Keren, It's time,

22/05/2007 15:48:12

It looks hideous. I go through to Edinburgh quite a lot and the old town should be kept as the old town and not made to look like any other town.

For once I agree with the Limp Damp woman.

43

Blinded by the Light,

Embray 22/05/2007 15:50:43

Has Henrique Miraculous come to haunt us!!
Looks like an action replay of our glorious parly.
there's not that much left before the historic centre of Edinburgh becomes a world class heritage disaster.
Look what the city fathers allowed to happen to the north side of Princes Street - even that plan for elevated walkways never reached completion and our beautiful Edinburgh was absolutely desecrated.
Meanwhile our wonderful politicians are advocating that planning rules are too stringent and that some of the requirements should be relaxed - forgive me but it seems were already there - I think these guys must be on glue or something - and by the way #43 we have a heritage, we love it and we would like to preserve as much of it as we can

44

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 22/05/2007 15:58:26

I honestly thought when I saw this that there had been a mistake and this was an artists impression of the temporary offices envisaged for construction of the permanent works--OH DEAR!

45

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 15:58:35

43.
"Your cringe worthy dialogue does nothing to support your argument which basically consists of I know best, why can't you see that"

By all means debate the issue but less of the talking down please.
Honestly, you're not worthy.
It's an attitude not a location problem you have.

46

Always look forward,

22/05/2007 16:31:01

Call me a dynic but does anybody else think that they have put in poor imagery so that when they change it to what they really want the Planners are going to say what a huge improvement and end up patting themselves on the back

47

Goat Boy,

22/05/2007 16:37:35

As an urban hiker, I love walking around urban centres and appreciating the architecture. There are some fantastic looking new buildings in Edinburgh - and there are some that are, well...sh*te and I wonder how they got through the planning stage. Edinburgh is a great place and a joy to wander around. But the erection of soulless boxes that are likely to be torn down in 20 years just isn't acceptable guys (like that delightful building (…NOT) at the junction of the Royal Mile and George IV Bridge). These buildings are just off the Royal Mile - Edinburgh's historic soul.

Build on this site by all means, but build something that links the city's past with where it wants to go in the future.

This city depends on tourism - so why are we destroying the very things they are coming to see?

48

Jim Lahey,

22/05/2007 16:49:32

No worse than the architectural vomit they call the Scottish parliament building.

49

measured and tethered,

22/05/2007 17:25:25

sarcasm

you should be on the board that finally approves the design. You have a magnificent way of twisting what you are saying, incorrectly interpreting the intention of others and continually moving the goal posts on your own argument to take the heat off of its inconsistencies. They could do with someone as inventive and slippery as you for the marketing campaign.

I am sure this debate will rage on and give you all something more to complain and moan about like you did with the parliament building. It's your way. Your opinions are as grey and damp as a rainstorm. I overheard a couple the other day in New York discussing the parliament building with their friends. They had loved their trip to Edinburgh and thought that building was the jewel in the crown. It was something they wished they had in their hometown that they could have been as proud of. So try to see that instead of focusing on the gloom and misery of a situation that in the end it can all turn out for the good of the country. You have a world class building in the parliament. Typical that you are still griping about it years later. Really, it's time to move on and look on the bright side.

Well that's it from me. I hope the building that is eventually chosen will satisfy your desires, I expect it will be as watered down and average as you can make it.

50

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 17:46:34

43. measured and tethered, phoenix

Sir,

As the only poster who appears to be in anyway in favour of this eyesore of a development, I think I can pretty safely say that you have provided the rest of us with a jolly good laugh.

So, as the Sun Sinks Slowly in the West (in the best John Wayne fashion), may I respectfully suggest that you change you title to 'Bitter & Twisted'.

51

Old Town Resident,

22/05/2007 18:00:00

There is no reason for a building to be built here...so average won`t happen either...
http://eh8.org.uk/node/61
The street was finished, Allan Murray Architect (Award Winning) tried and failed back in 2002

52

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 22/05/2007 18:45:42

I'd just like to add my wisdom to this. It looks p!sh.

53

nell from falkirk,

22/05/2007 19:27:57

What HAVE they been teaching architects for the past forty years or so?

This design (if that's the word) is AWFUL.

Not the same genius that gave us St James' Square is it?

Edinburgh deserves better than this - poor Auld Reekie has suffered badly from some truly grisly "modern" architecture, please please can we have an end to the torture, please, somebody, find an architect who can design buildings worth looking at.

As for "measured and tethered", of course living in Phoenix would give you a good eye for architecture...
You're not the architect's granny are you?

54

Sarcasm,

22/05/2007 20:10:04

52.
succinct and to the point again I see.

I don't like what you've got to say because of how you say it, not what you say you are. The ex-pat jealousy thing doesn't work.

I'll repeat it again, it's the location that is wrong not the principle but hey why bother with a debate, let's just ignore the points and hear how right you are again while you tell us how ignorant and Neanderthal we are for disagreeing.
Let's forget the heritage and surrounding buildings because you overhear a couple say how good the parliament is. It was an ex brewery site in an area in need of regeneration, no problems with a modern building there, even if it's not my favourite.

That isn't the case here though but hey you know best.
Save us from any more lectures please, we all know how pathetic you think we are.

55

measured and tethered,

22/05/2007 21:42:15

Sarcasm.

If you don't like what I say then stop replying to my messages. The real reason you don't like what i'm saying is clear. Expat jealousy? it's more to do with your own parochial jealousy than anything else but i'm sure you will deny it. Different opinion to you, don't live in Scotland so you don't like it. Here's another lecture,try to be more expansive and inclusive in your outlook, it might help you reach a more intelligent conclusion to your arguements than that last posting.

As we have gone so far off the topic of the building I think it's best (and here I know I am right) to conclude that we just don't agree and any reasonable debate with you is no longer possible.

56

Dave B,

Edinburgh 22/05/2007 22:00:52

Looks way too boxy and out of place.

No doubt the views from it would be good, but towards it - not so much..

I think most people want the old town to look like the old town - something like this would work better at the waterfront.

57

Douglas,

Bathgate 23/05/2007 07:38:31

It looks (to me) like the beginning of an elevated tram system.

58

Mister Niceguy,

Edinburgh 23/05/2007 07:55:19

Awful design of building - but not just 'cos it's modern. It's just ugly. (I like the portokabin analogy #3).

It's a difficult site to fill, but this is not the way to do it. Edinburgh has some smart modern buildings e.g. the new museum in Chambers Street, the Omni and even the new council offices. Perhaps another of Edinburgh's fine modern architecture could inspire the Jeffrey Street site?

http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/jpgs/edinburgh_air...

59

Dave frae Barra,

Western Isles 23/05/2007 10:29:35

Well disappointed last time I was in Edinburgh, the wimmin were a real bunch of munters, and Glasgow! it was worse, some real dogs roaming the streets there eh boys?

60

James (1),

23/05/2007 10:40:33

#57 I have read your rants and disagree with them.
You have moved on as Scotland was not to your liking. Your loss but every cloud as they say.
Your american neighbours will of course be coming to Edinburgh because it is steeped in "modern buildings"? Not for them the old history of the city, no, they want new stuff.
I thought at first you worked for the company planning this nightmare. Instead the conclusion I have come to is "loud mouth stranger wants to change local city and then move on". Why not just move on?
It is clear you have picked up the ways of New York.
The only thing missing in your posts is that you do not TYPE IN UPPER CASE.
Why not enjoy your stay with us, then go home?
We have had our fingers burnt by the monstrosity that is the Scottish Parliament.
It is an ugly costly eyesore that attracts people for all the wrong reasons. Like some overpriced painting. It is not the art but what has cost so much that people come to see because they can't believe so much was spent on it.
We need to get this one right and the suggested buildings are not right for the area.
Your approach, in my view, would be that the Castle would be fair game and could be flattened and houses and offices built on it to drag us up to date.
Why should we listen to you, who is merely passing through?

61

Old Town Resident,

23/05/2007 11:02:50

Mr NiceGuy 61, there is no site at Jeffrey Street, the street is finished and fine as it is. The site that needs redeveloped is the Former Bus Depot site at New st which is the only land Developers Mountgrange own.

62

Julian,

23/05/2007 21:13:46

James(1) The Scottish Parliament is "an ugly, costly eyesore" in your opinion. Others may disagree. Whatever you say about it, you can't deny it's unique and striking.

If it is the massive cost that attracts people then maybe we'll have a few visitors to see the trams in 2010.

63

James (1),

23/05/2007 21:25:38

#65 yes in my opinion and I don't think I would need to look far if I needed to find others to agree with me.
It is unique for many reasons (in my view). Here are a few:-
Windows that let in water because of a flawed design. Roof that collapsed because of a flawed design.
Well over budget because of a flawed design.
It is striking in that nobody who looks at it can see what it is meant to be. It is like a collection of shapes joined together, and as I indicated above, not very well.
Still it is only money and we can hardly dig up the oaf that designed it.

Totally agree that the trams will draw the crowds but I would not say 2010 will be the date.
When have you known a project that has a committee to come in on time? No money to be made that way. Better to have meetings and rethinks to run up the bill. Again it is only money.
The best thing that could be done is scrap the idea, write off the money already wasted and save millions more.

64

Guthrie,

23/05/2007 22:38:50

That does look rather ugly. I would rather the buildings melded into the old ones, than stuck out like a bunch of cardboard boxes.


 

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