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Published Date: 24 March 2009
THE company behind the massive Caltongate development today blamed planning delays for crippling the scheme and causing it to plunge into administration.
Mountgrange Capital said it had spent £5 million over the past four years trying to get the £300m project through the planning process. And it said that, if the process had taken the two years scheduled, the project would have gone ahead as planned.


It came as urgent efforts were under way today to rescue the controversial vision for the area.

The news of Mountgrange Capital's slide into administration comes just over a month after the Evening News revealed that the company was battling for survival after recording a £24.3m loss.

Following the administration, the Caltongate site will now become the property of Deloitte, which is to market it to potential investors.

Directors of Mountgrange today insisted the scheme still had "commercial merit" but property experts say there are few that will have the cash available or are able to get the lending to make the vision a reality.

Mountgrange spokesman Mark Cummings said: "The planning delays have led us to entering the market at the worst possible time.

"Mountgrange has spent a considerable sum of money just acquiring planning consents."

He added: "Our project was based on a two-year planning cycle, not a four-year planning cycle. Had we been able to come on stream in two years it is highly likely we would not be in the situation we are today."

The firm admitted that "heritage-led" planning concerns had slowed the process but said that the city council and Scottish Government had made sure there was no doubt that the scheme was right.

A major reason that Mountgrange Capital went into administration was its inability to secure further funding from the Bank of Scotland, to which it already owes £70m.

Insiders at the company are understood to be angry that the terms available to it have worsened considerably since the bank, part of the Lloyds Banking Group, signed up to the Government's bail-out.

John Reid, the joint administrator from Deloitte, said the company's assets still represented "major development opportunities". However, Stewart Taylor, a city-based director at property firm CB Richard Ellis, said finding a buyer would be "very difficult".

Cllr Tom Buchanan, the city's development leader, said: "Banks are not being encouraged to help companies like Mountgrange through these difficult times."

Meanwhile, a separate company also owned by Mountgrange directors Martin Myers and Manish Chande is also believed to be keen to start talks with Deloitte about buying back Caltongate.

Sally Richardson, of the Save Our Old Town campaign which fought the development, said: "This won't hurt the likes of Manish Chande but the whole mess does affect the people who live in the Old Town."

A SIX-YEAR STRUGGLE
2003 Developer Mountgrange purchases the Caltongate venture gap site from Sofam.

2005 A then £180 million plan to create cafés, restaurants, flats, shops, offices and a five-star hotel is unveiled.

2006 Objectors begin campaign to stop the development as concern mounts about the plans. A masterplan for the site is approved by the council.

2007 Fears about the effect of the development on the World Heritage Site prompt Mountgrange to unveil some slight alterations.

2008 The council approves the Caltongate scheme despite 1800 objections from around the world.

2009 Mountgrange Capital goes into administration, leaving the future of the development uncertain.



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  • Last Updated: 24 March 2009 10:53 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 24/03/2009 12:03:29
Ha Ha Ha,delighted.
2

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:10:50
No, it wasn't planning delays, that's PR bull and Mark Cummings knows it. Damage limitation, eh Marky baby?

www.eh8.org.uk


Discussion here:

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Firm39s-collapse-leaves--gaping.5100879.jp#3875357

including a whole heap of info about Cummings and his activities.

Campaigners had no effect AT ALL on the timescale of the plans. This sounds like more Marky Cummings PA Bull to me. Give up Marky, we have found you out!

Caption competition:

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/


Manesh to Marky: No regrets, Marky! Just leave those pies behind! No doubt you can live without a finger!

UNESCO has slammed the plans though.


3

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:15:37
The ONLY planning delay was acused by an admin error on the council's part, which meant that palns pased last Februaray werte again had to be rubber stamped through gain in June/July?

So what? Where would we be now if this development had started last year? Listed buildings demolished and an even bigger hole in the ground!

Six year struggle my *rs*!!!!!
4

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:20:26
That's Mark Cummings, INVICTA PA - bull merchants to carpetbaggers. See www.eh8.org.uk Mountgrange's Spin Doctors.

Well, where is Ron Hewitt of the Chamber of Commerce now? Mountgrange holds its Property Portfolio. he supported his pals all the way...

Five million? A lot of pies for Marky that, and champers for cooncil members, eh?

How much for Allan Murray?





5

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 12:24:47
Rubbish - Mountgrange's funders have belatedly recognised that the scheme was too risky for their money at present.

Had the work started MG would probably have sold it on and someone else would have been left holding the baby.

How about some green space on the site to make up for all the public park land the council has flogged off to its developer pals over the years?


6

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:27:04
The EU investigation into the legality of the council selling off assets (without allowing anyone else the chance to buy) is still not completed I believe?

7

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:29:49
By the way EEN - there is no such place as 'the Caltongate Venture gap site'.

There is the Canongate Venture, that's a listed building (to be demolished as part of the non-existing Caltongate plans) but it isn't a gap site. None of it was until Mountgrange demolished the bus garage. Which of course it should not have been allowed to do without all plans passed and funding in place. But that's the cooncil for you!
8

Randan,

24/03/2009 12:45:31
Absolutely delighted. Couldnt happen to nicer bunch of PR spinning goons with the most outrageous arrogance.
Still I suppose the arrogance came from the fact the cooncil had practically given them planning consent before the process started.
So who's filling in the hole then?
C'mon, we want answers to this disgrace NOW!
9

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:48:52
Hopefully the cooncil still has the bond money which was paid in case this all went t*ts up.
10

AntiEdinburghWhingers,

24/03/2009 12:52:09
The only reason for the planning delays was because of Mountgrange's stupid design that instead of creatively re-using the listed buildings, insisted on demolishing the lot and replacing with trite architecture from Edinburgh's worst architect.

If they had got a decent architect to come up with a decent design, worthy of the city, then the campaign against it wouldn't have happened. To suggest that it's the campaigners fault is wholly misrepresentative of the fact. Just because something needs built on that site (something not disputed) did not mean that Mountgrange could build any old tat!

This is a good result: I hope now that a decent developer with a decent architect will come up with something that will benefit the city in the long run.
11

Buttress,

24/03/2009 12:54:12
Well, Mark Cummmings is still spinning like a top, that's what he's paid for. We know it's porkies, he knows it's porkies...
12

Buttress,

24/03/2009 13:03:21
UNESCO is expected to slam the plans when its report is published.
13

Tinsel Boy,

- 24/03/2009 13:10:40
We did it! We did it! We managed to get the Caltongate project cancelled!

Now we can look forward to living next to a giant, empty hole for the next five years... Oh.
14

Buttress,

24/03/2009 13:25:37
Not really - the site will have to be landscaped, the cash is there, all it needs is cooncil action... oh.

And wasn't it the financial situation which cancelled it? The plans were passed a year ago.

15

Minty,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 13:47:28
Thank goodness planning permission was delayed - otherwise we would have ended up with a half built scheme by the time they went into administration.
16

gpedin,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 14:34:40
Buttress my dear you complain about Allan Murray quite a lot - I think that secretly you have a huge crush on him eh?
17

Mallory,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 14:36:08
They could well be looking at the AMA, RBS and Grosvenor thing at Springside aka Fountain North - Buttress.
18

me150,

24/03/2009 14:38:12
Such a pity that locals snobbery and council delays resulted in this company going bust adding to the unemployed and the cancelation of another wonderful project.

Roll on the trams!!!
19

Buttress,

24/03/2009 14:57:13
16 Yawn.

No, it's because he's a cr*p architect. IMHO of course.

Hope that this is indeed the end of many a nasty scheme...
20

Buttress,

24/03/2009 15:08:46
http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/news/1323/Wilson%27s_Weekly_Wrap%3A_The_Calton_Crunch_and_other_matters.html
21

ga ga,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 15:22:46
We do not need any more hotels in the city anyway, House building has all but came to a halt in Edinburgh, if the population continues to expand and no new housing stock is introduced, there will be a shortage of places to stay in in around 10 years time.
22

Leila,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 16:25:27
There is an interesting document on the agenda for Thursdays's Council Planning Committee: "Guidelines for managing Edinburgh's built heritage: draft for consultation" at

http://cpol.edinburgh.gov.uk/getdoc_ext.asp?DocId=124405
23

newyearsday73 ,

24/03/2009 17:01:17
Ha,Ha,wont say we told you so but....greedy developers getting their fingers burned,hell mend them!
24

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24/03/2009 17:40:12
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25

Suntoucher,

24/03/2009 17:42:17
#10 – name me 5 ‘decent’ architects – no, I tell you what, I will keep it simple, name me one.

I feel ashamed of you all of you who find it so easy to fell your fellow countrymen and reading this all from 10 thousand miles away (and wishing I was home in Edinburgh) makes me feel very un-certain of the place I once loved and respected to be a decent place to live in. I hope that you will now drink your dose of Shadenfruede and in the morning, divert your energy into doing something positive for the City. Why don’t you all try and raise the cash and buy the site for yourself? - you will soon understand some basics about economics and politics and at the same time, see your bank balance dwindle.
26

Pop goes the Weasel ,

24/03/2009 17:51:29
Suntoucher, you make some very good points.

But dont worry everyone! Planning permission goes with the land, not the developer. And the planning permission wont expire for 5 years. So who knows what the market will be doing 5 years from now. With any luck, another developer will buy the site and regenerate this area.
27

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 24/03/2009 18:02:11
#24 & #25 Suntoucher,

I agree with you completely, particulary regarding your observations on heritage groups which can cause the death of too many developments.

To gloat over the loss of a possible £300 million of investment is just wrong (not to mention offensive), such an investment would have resulted in a dirty, dismal and insecure part of Edinburgh being brought into this century. I know as I live only a few hundred yards from this site.

This collapse could well end up with a much worse developer(s) taking over the site with every possibility of CEC accepting virtually any sort of 'plan' in order to raise funds through Council Tax/Rates from homes and businesses built on this site to help pay for the trams as this project (the trams) becomes more and more of a cash 'black-hole'.


28

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 24/03/2009 18:07:10
The developer has a £70million personal fortune, of course he wouldn`t dream of giving that to pay the bank back would he?

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/richlist-app/index.php?l=6&pageID=3
29

Buttress,

24/03/2009 18:52:45
Suntoucher - touched. Along with Peewee. Pointless blather from both.

Yes, he's filthy rich, isn't he? Still, all are limited companies, he won't lose out?
30

Buttress,

24/03/2009 18:54:21
"the various heritage groups who find it easy to criticize but offer no constructive feedback."

Absolutely laughable, as anyone who knows the objections to Caltongate can state.





31

Buttress,

24/03/2009 18:57:07
Peter - tell us which heritage groups caused the 'death' of any development? Go one - tell us all? Give us chapter and verse?

More of your ill-informed rubbish I see.

Anyhow, it's the credit crunch wot dun it, innit? Or has escaped you attention?

Greedy bankers. Inept speculative financiers.

32

Buttress,

24/03/2009 19:05:56
It's actually very unlikely that any other developer will build the development as passed, as Mountgange don't actually own all the land, and there may be more legal challenges if the council sells without putting land and buildings on the open market.


33

Buttress,

24/03/2009 20:26:05
Architecture Scotland websiste:

"City centre site now available – world class architecture wanted

The news that Mountgrange Capital, developers of the widely unloved Caltongate development in the heart of Edinburgh, has gone into administration will not come as a shock to regular readers of the Wrap (where the company’s problems were highlighted several weeks ago), but in these hyper-recessionary times it can hardly have come at a worse moment for the various architectural practices involved.

The project is - to all intents and purposes - dead, despite the optimistic noises being made by Manish Chande, one of the Mountgrange directors that he has another investment vehicle that could buy the assets out of administration. Given that nobody is lending money for commercial development just now, It’s difficult to see new finance being raised to simply carry on with the development as is. And that doesn’t get away from the brutal reality that nobody other than the city’s ingenuous council and that regular backer of lost causes, the Chamber of Commerce, had bought into this particular project.

The trouble is, times have changed, even during the gestation of the ‘Caltongate’ scheme. People know when they are being offered cod consultation and resent it. They are also – despite many architects’ views to the contrary - able to recognise quality when they see it and nowadays expect it, especially in a city with the architectural and urban credentials that Edinburgh has. Which brings us to the nub of the problem – the many drawings published for this project illustrated a commercial style of architecture so unremarkable that it could have been in any city in the world. This may be unfair to the architects involved, but they produced the drawings so they can’t complain if the public isn’t convinced by what is put in front of it. What was required here was a modern form of architecture distinctive to Scotland’s capital and we can only hope that out of the Mountgran
34

Buttress,

24/03/2009 20:26:36
cont
Mountgrange ashes a phoenix will arise that is both appropriate for Edinburgh and genuinely world class in terms of its architectural quality"
35

Single Minded,

24/03/2009 20:37:27
You lot are like a plague on our beautiful city rounding on everything from house prices, developers, planners, politicians etc but contributing absolutely nothing at all yourselves. You are the types who would con-the-system on every opportunity - take take take and give nothing back on return.
Good Architect and Developer next time? - you just don't deserve them and will not get them now.
No, I hope this site remains now as a rubbish dump and an eye sore for the next 20 years as a testement to your collective negativity and a warning to other developers who might consider putting their creativity and resources into improving the city and creating jobs.
Well done again - it's called crapping in your own nest by the way!!
Well done again!!
36

Buttress,

24/03/2009 20:58:20
But how do you know what anyone here contributes? You don't. So that's just self-important airheaded blather, isn't it?

As for crapping in own nests - clearly you don't understand that MOUNTGRANGE HAS GONE BUST. That's NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE POSTING HERE!

Understood?





37

Peter Wyngarde,

24/03/2009 21:45:45
Good to see this has been derailed (oops, tram reference!). What is needed is something modern and fresh but style sympathetic to the location of the site. If Mountgrange had realised this instead of going for a fairly generic style, had managed to reuse the listed buildings in a creative way, then this project would be well on the way to completion by now, alas they didn't, looked for a fast buck on their investment and now look where it got them, shot themselves in teh foot but cutting corners on what is a wonderful development opportunity in Edinburgh to create a new and exciting area in the heart of the old town.

Old Manishe will come out of it fine but it is scarey that he is already making noises about one of his other development companies picking up the pieces, surely this kinda thing can't be allowed legally?!?!
38

Single Minded,

24/03/2009 22:21:18
Beavis and Buttress ...... someone save us please !!
39

Buttress,

24/03/2009 22:45:05
38 and your point is exactly?
40

Buttress,

24/03/2009 22:46:25
37 Yes - go into administration, don't pay your debts,as it's a limited company, buy it all back at a knockdown price?

41

Rap,

24/03/2009 23:50:32
#35 Do you have any idea how much time (unpaid free time not like developers and planning officials) is given up by residents getting involved in consultations and providing feedback and opportunities for discussion? I'm guessing not if you can accuse people of not giving anything. And yet you start off by talking about this beautiful city - how do think it has stayed beautiful - luck? Planning control!

All of which is completely irrelevant since this site has not had a planning application rejected so you can't blame anyone on here. Unless you are Mountgrange. Blame Sir Fred.
42

grantcat,

Old Town 24/03/2009 23:51:45
#27 How many developments have not gone ahead due to heritage groups? I think this is a truism? What is the point of having listed buildings, conservation areas and world heritage sites if they have no meaning? My objection to the development was not just about heritage but the complete lack of consultation with the wider community.

The use of the word "possible" is correct - Mountgrange never had the investment they hoped to get the investment based on there plan, campaigners made this point over and over again, Caltongate was a fantastical dystopia that never existed, this was a speculative development - many of us doubted it would ever happen either partially or wholly. Why is it offensive to gloat or even be slightly pleased? Myers and Chande are not on the dole, they still are multi-millionaires, lets hope they care about any workers they employed but that is their responsibility. What is offensive is they were allowed to accrue "toxic assets" rent council houses to keep them empty, make deals with homeless organisations, have people moved from their home and persuade Historic Scotland there was "economic justification" to knock down listed buildings.
To gloat over the loss of a possible £300 million of investment is just wrong (not to mention offensive),

As you keep telling everyone you live here (the Canongate) why do you choose to live somewhere that is "dirty, dismal and insecure". As a Canongationer this is not the Canongate I see everyday (I live right next to the site)

We don't know what will happen but hopefully the community can have a better and less advesarial say in any future development, which may or may not include Chande and Myers. Hopefully the scope and scale will be much more manageable - Caltongate was a massive development much bigger than the gap site. Perhaps it can be managed and developed in pieces rather in a big monolothic chunk,

I see this not as a dissapointment but an opportunity
43

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 25/03/2009 00:17:04
i.said.throw.them.out.off.SCOTLAND.months.ago
44

Suntoucher,

Exiled 25/03/2009 03:33:06
#42 - You speak with a great deal of sense and decency about this all and you also get right to the very point of what is wrong about the misconception about ‘public consultation’ in the Planning. It does not exist and attempts by the Scottish Exec to make it mandatory in a not so recent Paper appear to have hit the back burner. No wonder local residents feel rubbed up the wrong way each and every time large developments get put for ‘consultation’. It’s a lose-lose situation for all.
I followed the ‘design’ of the scheme from a long way off out of interest and agree that along with much of Edinburgh’s contemporary architecture; it fell into the trap of the normal weak-kneed stick on stone facadism owing little to anything, other than itself. This situation is not necessarily totally down to the quality if the architects, but more to the crass ‘democratic’ planning system that allows albeit sometimes well meaning Councilors to make comment on design. This method only ensures the mundane.
(original ‘removed’ post as follows) – no idea why it was removed!
45

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25/03/2009 03:34:10
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46

Buttress,

25/03/2009 07:12:35
No, you don't know me from Adam, you have no idae what I do with my life, and your idiotic, offensive and ill-informed comments have already been removed once, but I note you haven't taken the hint and reposted them.

Intelligent debate would be good. I don't see much of from you.


47

Suntoucher,

25/03/2009 08:40:18
I see nothing offensive in my remarks Buttress - isn't this a case of the kettle calling the pot black? - intelligent debate is always welcomed; perhaps you might want to repeat your own words in your head a few thousand times a day to help your thought process along?
48

Buttress,

25/03/2009 08:47:34
Then I suggest that you really aren't capable of any sort of intelligent debate. Not a lot wrong with my thought processes, clearly a great deal wrong with yours, and your assumptions regarding people, which are laughable.

It seems there is a great deal regarding Caltongate of which you are blithely unaware.

At least you omitted the second time the particularly stupid and ill-informed remarks about 'heritage groups'. Clearly no idea at all about what 'heritage groups' do.



49

rhmack,

25/03/2009 09:31:28
Hear hear, Suntoucher.

Really nice to read the 'open minded' views of an intelligent reader! Pity I can't say the same for the nasty personal comebacks from Buttress!

My thoughts are with the hundreds of people who were lined up to be working on this project but now face redundancy - engineers, labourers, architects etc.
I agree, a better scheme was required - either way these people would still be in a job!

This is 'another' major set back to the construction industry in and around Edinburgh!
50

Buttress,

25/03/2009 09:55:20
Oh yawn. Open minded? An ill-informed jumble.

Who and what exactly was lined up? There has been no progress on this since the plans were passed, the council had not sold the land and buldings Mountgrange required, and the EU is still looking into the legality of it all. Mountgrange has been in trouble financing this all along.

Yes a scheme was required. It is still required.
51

rhmack,

25/03/2009 10:08:14
'Who or what was lined up?'

300m pound projects don't just start when the developer gets on site! ALL companies involved need to plan ahead and I can GAURANTEE that they have ALL started employing to deal with the workload pre-start and during construction (irrespctive of the legal and/or commercial situation).

We're talking about architects, surveyors, civil engineers, structural engineers, services engineers, project managers etc. A project of this scale will employs all these skills (and more) for in excess of 5 years.

This is 'who' WILL have been lined up. The majority of these will now be out of a job or will have even less prospects than before!
52

Duncan in Edinburgh,

25/03/2009 10:18:23
Buttress, you really should occasionally read back what you have written. It's really not very persuasive, and treats every disagreement as stupidity. You're an education for the rest of us, but not in the way you think you are.
53

Buttress,

25/03/2009 10:51:29
Oh dear Dunkie - no-one else to argue with and be rude to this morning? :-)

Go on - find another story.
54

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 25/03/2009 11:02:00
#47 Suntoucher,

I wonder who snipped your comment at #24, no prize for guessing who, of course.

I wouldn't pay the least little bit of attention to Buttress, she isn't a member of any conservation/heritage groups (by her own confession in a previous post on Caltongate), she merely likes to sound off as if she is. I have a distinct impression that she would like to slap a conservation order on any building more than 5 minutes old. She is totally unrealistic, but it would be nice if she could try to move into the current century.

I gather the latest news is that the City will attempt to re-launch this project somehow - I hope for its success and for the gap site to be filled soon.



55

Buttress,

25/03/2009 11:14:17
Oh, it wouldn't be a show without Punch - Peter repating the same old! Actually Peewwee I am indeed a member of sevreal national conservation groups, as indeed are many others.

Bye Peewee! Boring as ever!

56

Buttress,

25/03/2009 11:18:49
I wonder who snipped your comment at #24, no prize for guessing who, of course.

None at all Peewee - it was, of course, the editorial staff.
57

Buttress,

25/03/2009 12:26:13
51 - go on then - apart from architect's drawings, who had they actually contracted to employ?


 

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