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Caltongate to lie empty for year as bank blocks sell-off

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Published Date: 29 April 2009
THE massive Caltongate site is set to mothballed for a year or more after the Bank of Scotland ordered administrators not to sell the site on the cheap.
The Edinburgh-based bank is owed £73.8 million by Mountgrange Capital and is concerned that, in the current market, the site would not sell for enough to get it the money back.

It is understood to have asked Deloitte, Mountgrange's administrator, to wait until the market improves before pushing for a sale.

Property experts say that it is likely to mean the site will lie empty for at least 12 months.

It is just the latest delay for the proposed £300m transformation of the key Old Town site, where plans were originally drawn up more than four years ago.

It is one of a number of key sites lying empty in the city because of the economic downturn.

Deloitte has still not appointed a selling agent to market the site, more than a month after it gained control of it following Mountgrange's collapse.

It has admitted that it does not expect a sale "in the short term" because it is unlikely that it would realise the "best value" in the current economic climate.

One source close to the project said: "The administrators are taking instruction from the bank. It is likely that it is the bank who want to sit on their hands.

"The Bank of Scotland is the whole powerhouse in the site. By putting a company into administration they have already distressed the assets and devalued them."

The troubles at Mountgrange were first revealed by the Evening News in February after it emerged that it suffered a £24.3m loss in the year and was trying to tie up bank funding to keep it going.

A month later, Deloitte was appointed as the firm's administrator after its attempts to secure further funding failed.

John Reid, joint administrator at Deloitte, said: "As yet, no formal offers have been received from any party in respect of Mountgrange's assets. The joint administrators are currently in the process of assessing the best strategy for the realisation of the assets and will employ the relevant marketing process in due course.

"We do not anticipate a sale in the short term as it would be unlikely to realise best value for the asset, however, they will consider all offers received on their merits."

Stewart Taylor, director of business space at property firm CB Richard Ellis, said: "The opinion at the moment is that the market is at or close to the bottom. We'll bump along for the remainder of 2009 but we won't see any marked increase until 2010.

"It seems like a sensible strategy to not rush into any sale. Administrators will always look at whatever the best strategy is for getting value in."

At the time of its collapse into administration, Mountgrange had said that delays to the planning process had proved fatal.

The city council and Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce have now set up the Edinburgh Development Forum to look at how to speed up the planning process.

John Bury, the council's head of planning, said that the council wanted to encourage a "one door" approach where developers have closer advise and guidance from planners at an early stage.

"I would hope pre-application discussions would mean that the application is far quicker when it is lodged. The St James Centre is a good example: there was a lot of pre-application discussion.

"When it went through it was lodged relatively quickly in only five months."


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  • Last Updated: 29 April 2009 1:19 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Caltongate development
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 29/04/2009 12:09:53
Dont get you hopes to high BOS,its a gamble but,let it be sold now as you may get less later.
2

ccc,

29/04/2009 12:11:32
I believe this site is proposed to be a combination of commercial and residential property ?

If so then trying to work out when they may get what they want for it is a bit more difficult.

However the banks own market's divisions are predicting that residential prices will not return to 2007 levels until at least 2017.

I predict a long and empty wait.....

Yet another empty blot and wasted opportunity in this City.
3

Buttress,

29/04/2009 12:13:06
Why does this paper keep repeating the same old nonsense?

The plans were not drawn up four years ago, and Mountgrange's PR claims re planning delays don't stand up to scrutiny either. The reason this didn't happen is that they didn't have the cash.

There is a bond in place to landscape the site. CEC should be getting on with it.
4

mad moo,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:17:59
The sale of mountgrange's fantasy development site called Caltongate will not achieve BEST VALUE! tell us something new!
SOOT said from day one that the controversial back door sale of common good land and public assets to Mountgrange on the promise of a share in the huge profits was pure folly.
The land deal and supposed profits comming from the Caltongate plan, which was developed with complete disregard to the actual needs and aspirations of the community, never made any sense and has been called into question in Europe and has the public/common good land on east market street is not yet sold.
Time for CEC to stop flogging the horse from Mountgrange Stud and return the public land/houses/workshops/markets etc to the community.
5

Iain Bhern,

29/04/2009 12:22:49
Why doesn't the council use its powers and get a compulsary purchase order. Then they could have the ground landscaped so their workers have a nice view out of their offices opposite.
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mad moo,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:25:02
Dont need compulsory purchase Bond in place for landscaping can be used now!!!!!!!
Please try to keep up lol
7

Buttress,

29/04/2009 12:36:30
Well, a CPO for the empty bus garage site is fantasy, but it could at least be brought into permanent use as a green space if that happened! But whyis CEC not now using the bond? Or was there something fishy about that also?

But the empty homes and the Canongate Venture should be brought back into use as soon as possible. It is appalling thet these are standing empty, the council could be receiving some income!

Also, the news of the finacial problems was first broken by SOOT I recall, although a great deal of denial at the time by Invicta PA!
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noswod,

Honestas 29/04/2009 12:43:39
In one year the Edinburgh real estate market will not be any better. The publicly owned HBOS should cut its losses on what was a bad business deal and take what it can get rather than Edinburgh have an empty site for up to the next 5/10 years. Edinburgh Council should threaten HBOS with compulsory purchase and revocation of the planning permission on the site. What we see is that HBOS is still acting in what it sees as its own business interests rather than the greater interest of the public. They have not yet got the message or realise that they are now Government owned and have responsibility to the public. Edinburgh Council should remain resolute aginst the option to stick a big glass block in the middle of a world heritage site which may give HBOS the most cash back but devistate Edinburghs skylight. Write to Victor Blank at HBOS to wake him up about the issue.
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Arrow,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 12:48:34
to compusory purchase the site would cost the public purse a fortune and you cannot revoke a planning permission without compensation. try it and look forward to paying the legal profession another fortune on top of that.
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Buttress,

29/04/2009 12:58:57
The problem is that the development as was passed cannot be built without the sale from the council of listed buildings for demolition, and common good land. The financial returns for the CEC/public were minimal; it was all rather dodgy, but would have vastly enlarged the site for Mountgrange's profit.

Thankfully, the deal did not go through, and the legality of that deal, without any offer on the open market, still in question. The farcical financial justification, paid for out of public funds (thirteen grand!) for the demolition of the Venture AFTER the plans were passed really should be looked at again. It certainly would not have passed scrutiny at an inquiry. It all calls into question the competence of the CEC and HS where planning and demolition of listed buildings is concerned. HS supported the development without any reason to do so, and then paid to justify that support later. Heads should roll!

So what is on offer is the land Mountgrange owns, which is the demolished bus garage site.

The CEC should now be drawing up a development brief for the empty site, which is what should have happened in the first place, not leaving that to the developer, and landscaping it temporarily with the developer's bond as per the agreement.

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Jams,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:09:42
Only good news is that this means the people behind Mountgrange cannot step in and buy the site at a bargain price having already written off their debts by collapsing the original company.

The bank has assets enough to sit on this and wait but I agree that the council should take steps to make the site less of an eyesore. Who knows, with some grass and a couple of coffee stalls it might actually generate some income.
12

Brian Ferrari,

29/04/2009 13:27:35
There are fare too few open spaces in this part of the town. The Council should take another look at it and zone it as recreational parkland (or whatever they call it). It was publicly owned after all.

OK that stuffs the bank, but why on earth were they lending £73.8m on land in a World Heritage Site that doesn't have detailed planning permission?
13

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 13:28:28
WAYS TO MAKE CALTONGATE LESS OF AN EYESORE

1. Cover it with polythene and fill it with water - Scotland's largest outdoor swimming baths!
2. Spray-paint it in a seasonal shade of green.
3. Set it on fire.
4. Turf if over and hold the city's first-ever "Monsters of Croquet" tournament.
5. Get a conceptual artist to arrange 564,000 plastic penguins in a pleasing pattern.
6. A series of controlled explosions for YouTube purposes.
7. Invite everyone with a mobile phone to set off their "amusing" ring tones, thus creating the World's Biggest Annoyance!
8. A Demolition Derby involving prams.
9. Get Climie-Fisher to re-form and begin their comeback tour there.
10. A Blind Donkey Football tournament for immigrant lesbians with special needs.
14

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29/04/2009 13:29:13
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Buttress,

29/04/2009 13:37:58
12 - Was all that cash for this development? And I don't believe everything I read in the EEN.

I did think that is was suspicious that a new limited company was set up for Caltongate though. Mountgrange won't have lost out.

I rather suspect that some at council level had assured Mountgrange that planning permission would be granted no matter what.

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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:39:50
I wonder what that means to Manish Chande of Mountgrange who has a personal wealth of £70million, could he not make an offer the banks can`t refuse or is all his cash going on paying for the 8 council flats he gets the council to keep empty for him? Maybe he`s planning to downsize to them now from his Kenisngton pad??

http://independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com/search?q=rent+scandal
17

Battle1,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:44:02
Surely this is good news, no?

Everyone was up in the arms about the proposed development anyway, so problem solved.

Let's just leave it the way it is, far better.
18

Buttress,

29/04/2009 13:45:11
Where has the EEN got the figure of three hundred million from? It repeats the same old stuff regardless of accuracy.
19

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29/04/2009 13:47:33
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29/04/2009 13:51:41
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I love to eat Sellotape,

29/04/2009 13:52:36
We then asked Elvis impersonator Colin Ihavenolife, who gurned for our cameras.
22

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 13:57:39
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5962800.ece
23

Christopher André Breton Morris ,

29/04/2009 13:59:30
Kin Wylde with a Y because she's crazy and down with the kids of the US was not available for comment but a spokesperson for her said

"Kim know nothing about this"
24

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29/04/2009 14:00:29
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Pritt Stick Boy,

29/04/2009 14:26:45
13 that's just plain silliness and you know it.

Who's that - oh hello! come in, sit down. Would you like a cup of tea, cigarette, a bun?
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29/04/2009 14:35:56
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29/04/2009 14:42:40
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29/04/2009 14:57:49
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Pritt Stick Boy,

29/04/2009 15:14:15
They could always leave it as it is and pretend it's a homage to ground zero - complete with papier mache George Bush that could shake tourist's hands as they walk by. Need to be careful of cross contamination though - esp with this pig cold kicking about!
30

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 15:24:11
Former leader of the Council, Donald Anderson is the PR spindoctor for Mountgrange. Fact
http://www.ppsgroup.co.uk/#scotland
31

The Ayrshire Bard,

29/04/2009 15:46:15
A city centre car park would be quite handy.
32

Fud,

29/04/2009 18:40:34
What happende to my comments
33

Fud,

Brighton 29/04/2009 18:42:07
Where does the Caltongate start and finish ??
34

Fud,

brighton 29/04/2009 18:47:38
please reply some one
35

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 19:58:55
Hello F%D, one of the problems is we know where the dystopia that was Caltongate was meant to stop and start from the Canongate to Calton Road ,not as farm down as Tolbooth Wynd on Calton Road from New St to Cranston Street then along Jeffrey Street and East Market st going back to New Street. However what isn'tclear what they actually own. Caltongate is dead and buried. The issue is what was the assets Mountgrange owned and what are the administrators administrating. That still is not clear. The area is not called Caltongate but Canongate, I wish the EEN would refrain from calling it Caltongate!!!
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Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 20:07:55
The EEN aactually report drivel! They are not clear about things they should be clear about. Mountgrange are in debt by £70 million as it borrowed money from HBOS. It had four big developments, the £70 million is not just for their Canongate project but for the other sites. The Caltongate dystopia was dependent on much more than just the bus shelter but on buying and destroying other public buildings. DeLiotte might not be able to sell on the dream if they only have the gap site, the HBOS might be kidding themselves on if they think the land value on the site with useless planning permission on it is going to increase in the next 12 months.

Mountgraqnge don't own the Canongate Venture or the council houses.
37

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 30/04/2009 09:35:04
The site is going to be converted into a pay as you stay carpark as this will generate more monies than selling the land

 

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