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Published Date: 30 June 2008
MORE antisocial behaviour orders were breached by offenders in Lothian last year than the number handed out by the authorities.
Police across the force area brought 154 charges for breaking the terms of an Asbo – an offence which can carry a jail term.

The high number of charges today, which suggest multiple breaches by some offenders, sparked questions over whether the orders are an effective deterrent against disorder.

But police and council chiefs defended their use as an "effective" last resort before court action. Senior officers have pointed to successes, such as using the orders to keep shoplifters out of the city centre.

Between April last year and March this year, the courts handed out 18 Asbos in Edinburgh following applications by the city council. The number for the rest of the Lothians was 33. The number of charges for breached Asbos in 2005 was 105 force-wide, compared with 172 the following year, and 154 in 2007.

Independent Lothians MSP Margo MacDonald said the figures demonstrated the orders were not an effective deterrent. She said: "I'm not going to pretend I have the answer, but I think there's sufficient evidence that they're not achieving the desired effect.

"Asbos are a sign of a lack of youth facilities and the build-up of frustration over unneighbourly behaviour. Many people may rethink their behaviour after receiving one, but I believe the majority will not."

Tory justice spokesman Bill Aitken said: "Although there is no harm in the Asbo concept, I very much feared the subjects would purposefully disregard them. These figures prove that these suspicions were entirely justified."

"Instead of Asbos, people should be fined and made to pay the fine, or receive community service and be made to complete it."

Offenders have been sent to prison on occasions in the Lothians for breaking the terms of their Asbos.

In one high-profile case, John McKay, who has earned the nicknames of Kaiser and King of the Beggars, was jailed for two months in January 2006 for failing to stop his harassment of city centre workers and shoppers.

Another success cited by police was the case of serial thief James McMillan, who was outlawed from entering Edinburgh city centre in 2006. Officers said McMillan had obeyed the ban and his removal was "a major factor" behind a 20 per cent drop in thefts last year.

Councillor Paul Edie, the city's community safety leader, said: "We have got the balance just about right with our antisocial behaviour strategy. In my time in power, all the Asbos issued have been merited.

"In Edinburgh we use them almost as a last resort before other court action would be taken and we monitor them to ensure that they are effective."

A police spokeswoman said: "We work closely in partnership with the council to ensure Asbos are enforced, and any breaches are dealt with robustly.

"In most cases, Asbos are issued as a last resort when an individual has failed to respond to every other intervention. This shows the problem of antisocial behaviour is a complicated one, with no single quick-fix solution.

"They are a useful tool to have at our disposal, and in many cases have helped make our city a safer and more pleasant place to live."


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1

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

30/06/2008 12:58:06
Some people claim that having an Asbo is a badge of honour. But I haven't seen anyone in Edinburgh with a badge that says "Asbo" on it. And I've been to Granton.
2

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/06/2008 13:20:51
I'm afraid it does, Mario. Always.
3

jjkiller,

30/06/2008 13:27:57
Bring back the death sentance
4

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/06/2008 13:33:14
Bring back the dictionary.
5

john3,

30/06/2008 13:39:41
Too many laws not enforced - buy an unoccupied island somewhere and put them on it The old penal colonies set up whole improved nations
6

alex paterson,

edinburgh 30/06/2008 13:40:46
I think an ASBO is a badge of honour to these plebs,it cant be seen but is worn in their gray matter.
7

Cynicaltalk,

30/06/2008 13:50:16
I'll second the dictionary plea.
8

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/06/2008 14:37:24
Bring back indiscriminate violence.
9

Hamish B,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 14:46:58
I saw John Mckay outside St Mary's roman catholic church yesterday and he was harassing people walking past and yet noone was around the stop him or arrest him. I thought this moron was supposed to be banned from the City Centre? We don't need scum like him,he ought to be locked up for good as they are a disgrace to Edinburgh.
10

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/06/2008 14:54:23
When I last saw this John McKay, he was flying a Cessna light aircraft toward the East Neuk of Fife.

Or possibly not.
11

Ima Stoner,

HIGH Street, Edinburgh 30/06/2008 15:15:23
I know this is a stupid comment, but where are all the polis - I live near the centre of town, and I can't remember the last time I saw any polis on the beat. Get the polis off their fat a*ses and do some work for a change!
12

I love my pants,

Edinburger 30/06/2008 15:19:20
John McKay ate my hamster.
13

I love to eat Sellotape,

30/06/2008 15:22:02
No, that's a different John McKay.
14

tomias,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 16:42:58
Vote himonto the cooncil---NOW
15

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

30/06/2008 19:33:45
There should be another level of procedure to deal with people who ignore these ASBO orders
16

Jayess,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 20:21:06
MSP Margo MacDonald is a good observer, but the only part of her statement I don't agree with is that "Asbos are a sign of a lack of youth facilities ..."

I would say youth's major problem is a lack of - love with discipline from parents; guidance by example from neighbours; and teaching with imagination from educators; - among other things.

Previous generations that had these things, had few facilities, but seemed to achieve more until social specialists pointed out that they were deprived unless they were rich.
17

spurtacus,

30/06/2008 21:41:27
I'm John McKay!
18

elayne,

30/06/2008 21:46:18
asbos are a badge of honour among the nedsso they are hardly going to be effective are they?
19

Julian.,

edinburgh 30/06/2008 22:42:53
#15 Ima Stoner,

Do you never go out at the weekends? Step out your house after 6pm on a Friday or Saturday and you'll see bobbies on the beat everywhere.

What happens to these people if they are caught breaking an ASBO?

 

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