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Published Date: 16 June 2009
A BID by coffee giant Starbucks to create the city's first 24-hour cafe looks set to be knocked back after police chiefs raised fears it would attract antisocial behaviour.
The shop on the Royal Mile, near Hunter Square, wants to stay open 24 hours throughout August to serve hot drinks, sandwiches and pastries to Festival revellers.

Starbucks failed in a similar bid to have its hours extended last year. The coffee giant has told city officials it would be willing to make its service takeaway only if that is what the city's licensing committee decided.

The extension has been opposed by Lothian and Borders Police, who claim it could lead to "incidents of disorder and disturbance" and goes against a council policy of restricting opening hours of food and drink outlets in the early hours of the morning.

Starbucks, however, today claimed its 24-hour operation would help disperse revellers when the pubs and clubs close.

Inspector Gordon Hunter of Lothian and Borders Police, said he could not support the application.

He explained: "I have no doubt that should this application be granted, local residents may be subjected to incidents of disorder and disturbance throughout the night and additional pressure would be placed upon police resources."

Inspector Hunter added that if councillors do want to extend Starbucks' hours then they should restrict it to the agreed timescales for the "late hours catering" city centre zone during the Festival, which is up to 2am Sunday to Thursday, and 3am on Fridays and Saturdays.

In a letter to council licensing officials, Harry Wilson, manager of Starbucks' High Street store, argued: "While I appreciate the concerns of the police, our aim is to help provide a better service to the large numbers of visitors to our city at this time.

"Our offer will not exacerbate the effects of excessive drinking and noise, which are liable to disturb local residents in any case.

"We would respectfully suggest that our coffee and other non-alcoholic beverages might actually help support the natural dispersal of people from the wider area."

The only other outlet for late-night food on this section of the High Street is the Clamshell chip shop. Premises on nearby South Bridge can open much later, but this street falls within a different licensing zone.

Councillor David Beckett, who represents the city centre, said:

"The people who live in this area already have a lot of noise to contend with and there has to be a balance between having an accessible and vibrant city with residents needs, I am not sure if there really is a case for 24-hour opening but certainly an extension could be considered for the festival period."


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  • Last Updated: 16 June 2009 10:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Antisocial Behaviour
 
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alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 16/06/2009 12:00:19
Stupidity,you can bet your boots if was liscensed it would pass with flying colours.
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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 12:01:54
There's a recession on, all business should be open as much as it can be. Even the tartan tat shops. They could sell sh*tey souvernirs and make the customers a cup of instant coffee while they listen to the CDRs blaring.

The po need to rethink this one. It's only coffee.
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Hamish B,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 12:19:09
Complete Nonsense. How often do you hear trouble or anti-social behavious happening at coffee shops??. It is always places which serve up cheap booze!!. Edinburgh needs an expansion of places opening up 24/7 to open up more options for people. This should definitely be given the go ahead
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hibbywul,

16/06/2009 12:29:02
Now I can't pay £74.50 for a Capuccino on my way home from pub!
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 12:37:01
Quite right. We can't have coffee-crazed teenagers smashing up the town centre. This should only be permitted if they're limited to Horlicks and cocoa.
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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 12:41:09
#1

No it wouldn't.
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16/06/2009 12:42:27
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16/06/2009 12:44:54
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Foo,

16/06/2009 12:49:18
I thought some Starbucks have a drinks licence? I'm sure I had an Irish coffee once? I could be wrong.
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Mèths,

16/06/2009 12:53:50
Foo

You are wrong. It was pi­sh.
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Foo,

16/06/2009 12:55:17
10

Funny.
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FrankGallagher,

16/06/2009 13:06:28
Starbucks is p1sh. The whole coffee culture and everything it stands for is p1sh.

End

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Mèths,

16/06/2009 13:08:12
"Inspector Hunter no doubt will not be saying "The Milky Bars on on me"."

I don't think ANYBODY ever said that.
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Foo,

16/06/2009 13:12:25
I'm not sure why some people are so against starbucks so much. It's just a chain of coffee shops. These same people don't get so hot and bothered about Scottish and Newcastle, for example, or Otis lifts, or any other global brand. Why starbacks?

It's not like I use them; they are usful at the airport or suchlike. Their coffee is OK, a bit pricey, but what do you expect - don't go there if you don't like them.
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FrankGallagher,

16/06/2009 13:14:36
S&N and Otis lifts have a purpose, people who are pi55ed don't need you the stairs....simples
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FrankGallagher,

16/06/2009 13:18:43
That was obviously supposed to say 'don't need to use the stairs'
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JT,

16/06/2009 13:23:17
So can someone tell me whats the difference of anti social behaviour outside Starbucks or the Dome? I take it this behaviour only happens after a certain time - dont think so!
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Noodle doodle,

16/06/2009 13:25:34
Good move by the police. Serious outbreaks of chin-stroking have been reported in several cities when late-night skinny moccachino drinkers gathered to compare their overpriced apple gadgetry. Cries of "oh god I need a mac, I do creative arts" woke neighbours for miles around as deluded overestimates of personal worth and talent were bandied about in a caffeine-induced fervour.
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16/06/2009 13:31:20
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16/06/2009 13:33:44
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Foo,

16/06/2009 13:37:31
19 Haha, you win, if just for the phrase 'serious outbreaks of chin-stroking have been reported in several cities'
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16/06/2009 13:37:51
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elayne,

16/06/2009 13:39:18
#8 agreed! ALL coffee tastes like pi-sh,and it gives you a headache
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Foo,

16/06/2009 13:39:48
21 Indeed. Starbucks = bad. Apple = good.

Strange.
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Wee Keef,

Java 16/06/2009 13:41:00
To get the full stupidity of this you need to buy the paper EEN to see the "rent-a-quote" from some daft bint in Easter Road. Apparently the police "have enough trouble trying to get people to go home after the clubs and pubs shut without having to round up folk from a coffee shop as well".

Sorry, I must have missed the earlier story about the curfew.

Sarah Cooper (30) - you are an idiot.
26

Puzzler,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 13:42:11
Only in Scotland!

So people drinking coffee and eating panninis might be a threat to public order ? What will we call this dangerous new phenomena? Muffin rage?

We have aggressive drunks staggering around the city centre at all times of the day and night, but bars rouitinely open into the wee hours of teh morning.

A couple of weeks ago my female colleague watched in disbelief as a drunk man actually took his trousers down and had a s**t at a bus stop on Leith Walk at 5 o'clock in the evening. People get abused, threatened and ionjured by morions who over indulge, but apparently the real threat is possible muffin rage at starbucks.

There is virtually nowhere to get a coffee or a snack in Edinburgh much after 7pm. It's either a sit down meal ina tresteraunt or go to a pub. The Starbucks idea would give poeple more options - particularly tourists who are not quite as keen as the locals on getting compleltely plastered.

These coppers should come round my bit of an evening. Plenty of bad behaviour, but I am pretty sure it's not fuelled by skinny lattes
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16/06/2009 13:45:09
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Puzzler,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 13:51:11
Sorry, I never edit my copy.

I meant to say onjured by mirions
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16/06/2009 14:02:52
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the plum,

16/06/2009 14:09:20
what a shame, introducing a coffee culture to edinburgh would be a fantastic idea, too many yobs out there at night yelling, fighting, littering and urinating in doorways...a touch of class, a touch of sophistication. not nescessarily starbucks, but more cafes with proper coffee.

more cafes and bring back national service and drill respect into the yobbish youths.

33

Mince Pie Supper,

16/06/2009 14:12:40
Additional pressure on police resources. Surely the place will be filled with police buying their doughnuts!
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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 14:17:47
#34

Starbucks doesn't sell dougheys. The 24 hour Greggs would be the place for that.

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hibbywul,

16/06/2009 14:34:39
"A couple of weeks ago my female colleague watched in disbelief as a drunk man actually took his trousers down and had a s**t at a bus stop on Leith Walk at 5 o'clock in the evening."

Too funny for words, what did he a*se on, a copy of the Evening News no doubt.
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hibbywul,

16/06/2009 14:35:27
Should read:What did he wipe his a*se on?
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16/06/2009 14:49:08
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Paula McGuire,

16/06/2009 14:57:47
Is there student discount at starbucks?
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16/06/2009 14:58:27
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Mince Pie Supper,

16/06/2009 15:33:32
Shut them down... shut them all down. Shut the entire city. Switch off the street lighting, block the roads, put the cat out but draw in the tourists.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 17:47:17
"Their coffee is OK, a bit pricey, but what do you expect - don't go there if you don't like them"

Ah, but they have free wifi y'see and we all need a way to send smartassed comments to the EN.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 17:49:31
"ALL coffee tastes like pi-sh,and it gives you a headache"

That's lager you're thinking of.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 17:50:53
'A year's supply of goldfish to anyone who uses the word "scum"'

Have you ever noticed that if you leave a coffee for hours, some scum forms?

Just build all my goldfish into a pyramid and balance a tambourine on top...
44

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 17:51:19
Starbucks
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 17:55:09
"A couple of weeks ago my female colleague watched in disbelief as a drunk man actually took his trousers down and had a s**t at a bus stop on Leith Walk"

I *knew* there was some sort of secret sign for hailing a taxi in Edinburgh. Thanks for the tip!
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

16/06/2009 17:57:36
"In England they teach the criminals a proper lesson, with some very effective punishments"

Taser them six times when they're down and then punch them hard between the shoulder-blades.

It's the only way to deal with these latte louts.
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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 18:23:53
#50

yes, totally agree. In England of you throw a chip at someone the po batter you with sticks and only the lucky ones end up looking like Mel Gibson's Jesus. The unlucky ones just get killed on the spot. It's called execute-as-you-go.

The Gestapo were pretty cool too.

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r chee bold,

16/06/2009 19:13:43
Open a Greggs, put down double yellow lines and the polis will be all for it.
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Noodle doodle,

Time warp 16/06/2009 20:09:14
Uncanny...

The exact same story surfaced on the 16th June last year...

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/royalmile/Starbucks-push-for-24hour-opening.4188240.jp

Is the evening news recycling stories, or did starbucks not improve their pitch from last year?
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totally indecent,

16/06/2009 20:26:06
They're stalking you Mario the admin are stalking you. Who's next? Billy or Donkey?
51

Mario Hexagon,

16/06/2009 21:19:09
The Lettuce will protect me.
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Gorach,

Oban 17/06/2009 00:11:07
Have any of you amadans been to Canada? If you have then you will know that Tim Hortons coffee is the best.
Why Edinburgh would have Starbucks instead of Tim Hortons is beyond a poor highlander like myself.
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Kjell Olofsson 2nd May 1998 (72, 78 mins),

Sweden 17/06/2009 09:32:54
Just picture the scene at 3 am on a Sunday morning! Did you spill my skinning latte mate? How? Do you want to make something of it like? Before you know it the carrot cake starts to fly and the chocolate brownies are everywhere!
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 17/06/2009 10:29:08
Coffee makes people pee a lot and that is bad in the street. Plus a stale muffin can be used as an offensive weapon - also not good.
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 11:26:40
"The extension has been opposed by Lothian and Borders Police..."

We can take it that Starbucks aren't in the Masons then.

 

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