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Published Date:
28 November 2007
HIBS boss John Collins today insisted the SFA shouldn't shy away from naming a foreign manager as successor to Alex McLeish - provided he is fluent in English.
McLeish stunned the Tartan Army when he handed in his resignation soon after returning from South Africa where he had attended the World Cup draw.

As the hunt got underway for a successor, Easter Road boss Collins, who made all 58 of his appearances in a dark blue jersey under Andy Roxburgh and Craig Brown, claimed the SFA shouldn't restrict their search purely to Scottish contenders.

Although the bitter memory of German coach Berti Vogts' ill-fated reign is still fresh in the thoughts of many, Collins said: "I think the Scottish manager should be an English speaker, but that does not mean he has to be a Scot.

"It's a tough enough a job without a language barrier."

Collins, who himself is quoted at 16/1 by the bookies to get the job insisted that, at the age of 39, he was probably too young to be considered.

Only 13 months into his first managerial role, Collins said: "It's always nice to be mentioned by your country, the national job. But it is not something I will go chasing.

"If someone was to ask me I would think about it but I am probably too young, the job needs more of an experienced manager."

If McLeish's swift decision to quit Scotland for Birmingham shocked some, Collins insisted he wasn't at all surprised.

He said: "I got the impression that Alex wanted back into the day-to-day running of a football club. It's a much different role being the international manager with a game every two months and it's a long time till next September when we'll have our next competitive match.

"I'm sure Alex loved it, he's done a great job and we have to thank him for what he has done."

Hibs reserves crushed Gretna 5-2 at Raydale Park with Sean Lynch and Damon Gray each scoring twice after Ross Campbell opened the scoring.

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1

iatejamtarts,

green field 28/11/2007 12:22:28

why doesnt jc do the scotland job, i cant wait to get rid of the money grabbing git.

2

jambop,

28/11/2007 12:25:04

"Collins, who himself is quoted at 16/1 by the bookies to get the job insisted that, at the age of 39, he was probably too young to be considered. "

Add the fact that he is totally devoid of any meaningful managerial experience and here we have an excellent candidate for the post. Come SFA get him in there.....numpties! I agree it is going to be dificult to find a good fulltime manager for the Scotland post, but if we are reduced to considering men of the calibre of John Collins we are in a worse state than I thought.

3

Liberec Stevie,

28/11/2007 12:32:57

I don't think for a second they will consider John Collins - that is simply paper talk. Numpties they are not - the last two appointments were both good and there's no reason to believe they won't choose well again. I was keen on neither Smith nor McLeish, but shows how much I know as they both did well. Smith going to Rangers worked in Scotland's favour as plenty of Scotland players are now playing in a settled and relatively successful team. Maybe O'Connor will get a game under McLeish and start improving. McLeish's departure is neither a surprise or a disaster. Rather him go now than leave us in the sorry state he seems to leave his club sides in.

4

Big T Jambo,

28/11/2007 12:37:15

The SFA won't appoint somebody currently in a job as that will mean they will need to pay compensation.

5

Undercover agent,

Edinburgh 28/11/2007 12:42:10

why worry about being fluent in English, most of the team aren't!

6

Edinburghs Finest,

28/11/2007 12:43:21

Only one man for the job.... step forward Hearts manager..... errrmmm????

Do they have a Fax machine at Hampden?

7

Robbo1980,

28/11/2007 12:58:55

#6
They do, and the last page to come out it was from the Guiness Book of World records and it said.....
'Seriously, 1902? I'm sure we can fit that in somewhere'

8

Phil.,

Oxford 28/11/2007 13:03:52

"HIBS boss John Collins today insisted the SFA shouldn't shy away from naming a foreign manager as successor to Alex McLeish - provided he is fluent in English."

That rules out most Scottish coaches as well.

9

Edinburghs Finest,

28/11/2007 13:12:12

#7... hilarious...no it really is funny...

10

Andy M - Hibby,

28/11/2007 13:12:33

#2 "Of the calibre of John Collins" - you mean a SFA Hall of Fame member who has played in World Cups , Euros and the Champions League and as manager won a national trophy with a team of kids at Hampden. He's obviously "devoid of meaningful management experience". God Almighty take off the maroon specs, get a grip and stop being so bitter.

JC is right - he is too young but with 58 caps for Scotland his opinion is welcome and constructive. The national job is one for an experienced coach who is fluent in English. IMHO - a man probably in his 50s who has probably seen it and done it as far as the Premiership goes.

11

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 28/11/2007 13:20:05

Remind me again - how did we get on with a foreigner at the helm before?

And with an almost identical squad, how did two Scotsmen do in the same job?

Thanks for your input JC.

12

Groucho Marx,

28/11/2007 13:20:43

ALEX MC LEISH
1/ WALKED OUT ON MOTHERWELL
2/ WALKED OUT ON HIBS
3/ SACKED FROM GERS
4/ WALKED OUT ON SCOTLAND FOR THE TEAM HE SUPPORTED AS A KID "" THE MIGHTY BIRMINGHAM CITY "".
THIS IS SOME GUY..

13

Warden An' All, Reborn,

28/11/2007 13:24:21

Collins is right it doesn't have to be a Scot, though it is funny that when we do get a Scot they are likely to either be cowards, or simply clueless when it comes to being a national coach, with the last two being cowards, with an eye for thirty pieces of silver.

14

Jambo Number 1,

28/11/2007 13:30:01

#9

Not as funny as your peach on #6

You are wasting your talens, no really you are!!

15

Groucho Marx,

28/11/2007 13:30:13

Is frail applying for vacant scots job, didn't think so,
ha-ha.

16

jambop,

28/11/2007 13:31:38

"Numpties they are not - the last two appointments were both good and there's no reason to believe they won't choose well again."
I would like to know on what grounds you can qualify that statement OTHER than the fact that we beat France home and away which I grant were exceptional results. 1. Both the appointments made left their employers well before the contracts they signed were up.
2. Mcleish's ineptitude lost us the one match, against Georgia, that had a real chance of Scotland progressing needing only a draw against an already qualified Italy.
I agree that the appointments were better than the previous one but even Bertie managed a win against holland in a play off for a place in the WC

17

Groucho Marx,

7. Robbo1980 / 12:58pm 28 Nov 2007 28/11/2007 13:32:17

7. Robbo1980 / 12:58pm 28 Nov 2007.

you are a very BITTER boy,
talk to your doctor,

18

jambop,

28/11/2007 13:57:52

#10 "Of the calibre of John Collins" - you mean a SFA Hall of Fame member who has played in World Cups , Euros and the Champions League and as manager won a national trophy with a team of kids at Hampden. He's obviously "devoid of meaningful management experience". God Almighty take off the maroon specs, get a grip and stop being so bitter.
Stop it you're cracking me up other than "winning diddy cup", if those are the qualifcations for the national manager's post then 80% of those on the hall of fame list would have been eligible. How many names in the hall of fame have made any impact in managing at a level acceptable for this post? Four at the absolute outside five. A tip take your green tinted specs off the man's not that good, or no wait lets give him the job he's used to managing Brazil before you know it his silky soccer playing style will have THE BRAZIL enticing him away as their national coach.

19

Robbo1980,

28/11/2007 14:07:26

#17

I thought I could smell something funny near by.

20

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 14:21:41

Is it fair to say some of the scotland players struggle with the discipline of foreign managers. Look at the current squad with ferguson and boyd etc could not play under PLG at rangers and ousted him before he could do anything. The current Scottish born managers in the frame have no major EPL experience or great success in management as this seems to be the major factor for a lot of fans. Add that to the recent trend of mercinary traits shown by recent Scottish managers in the post, who is left to lead us into 2010 WC finals.

IMO Burley could be a great capture. Think will be a complete waste of time and effort if Davies gets it tho.

21

Greenanwhite1,

28/11/2007 14:25:12

Whether anybody thinks JC would be any use or not is not the point. He's not going to do it therefore the issue becomes irrelevant.
Look more at McAllister, Davies or possibly Jefferies or Calderwood (sheep s******s) THESE are the candidates more likely to take over. Forget SAF or WGS coz that just aint gonna happen

22

CBJambo,

28/11/2007 14:27:51

Haven't got a lot to say regards the vacant national team's managerial position, other than lets hope we take our time choosing the new manager.

There is a long time before the qualifying matches for the world cup start, so we should be asking some experienced managers such as walter smith and Sir Alex Ferguson who they think should lead us into the world cup and not leave it up to the idiots who run the sfa.

As far as the JC interview goes... isn't it amazing what a shave and some hair gel does... take a look at him before he got his picture taken!!!

http://www.fondosescritorio.net/wallpapers/Animales/Monos...

23

Hibby,

Highlands 28/11/2007 14:36:59

That fat gunt Salmond could probably fit it in with his other two part-time jobs and he does speak a sort of English though he would have difficulty getting his teeth round Sunshine on Lieff if it was sung again as it was at the Italy game

24

Hobo Harry,

It's only Kaunas Dorothy 28/11/2007 14:49:14

#22 CBJambo. JC with ginger hair?? Naw man, thats yon wee Stevie Freckles fae Gorgie..............

25

Franck,

28/11/2007 14:58:21

I'm Afraid it can only be Craig Levein for me. His Utd side are extremely well organised and being realistic, none of them have any talent.

Should be great for the Scotland job.

26

JamesyBHOY,

28/11/2007 15:03:06

I agree it is going to be dificult to find a good fulltime manager for the Scotland post, but if we are reduced to considering men of the calibre of John Collins we are in a worse state than I thought.

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I don't think for a second they will consider John Collins - that is simply paper talk. Numpties they are not - the last two appointments were both good and there's no reason to believe they won't choose well again.
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Collins is the most exciting young manager that we have right now.

He's the most continental as well. He's studied the way they do things in countries like France etc.

He may not have the experience but he won't be afraid of his own shadow to attack teams when it's needed.

Look how the last 2 'more experienced' managers go on in important games. Vogts may have got a 2-2 to the Faroes, but Smith got us hubmled by Belarus at home that ended our chances for the 2006 WC. While McLeish gut us battered by a Georgian team missing 4 of their main players. Their top scorer retired. A 16yr old 4th choice goalkeeper. A 16yr old rookie playmaker, a 17yr old rookie. A captain without a club etc etc. Which if we'd won, we'd be at Euro 2008 right now!

Against Italy we should have been 2-0 down. Talking in the studio they all agreed he'd have to make changes straight away if we were to do anything. They almost scored a third. Over 65 mins & nothing. We score a goal that realistically shouldn't have counted. Still over 70mins & no sub. They score in injury time, then he throws on Boyd for something like 30secs.

Shows you what experience does for the side! I'd rather have Collins as manager than any of the other 'more experienced' diddies that's been linked to the post thus far!

27

CBJambo,

28/11/2007 15:11:43

#24

So your saying he dyes his hair as well??!!

28

JamesyBHOY,

28/11/2007 15:17:12

Remind me again - how did we get on with a foreigner at the helm before?

And with an almost identical squad, how did two Scotsmen do in the same job?

Thanks for your input JC.
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So they appoint one & automatically a foreign manager can't do anything in another country! LMAO, typical Scottish mentaltiy!

Boy David was no brainiac by any stretch of the imagination but he knew that a foireign coach was the way to go. It just happened it was the wrong manager that he opted for. Maybe 10 years earlier then it would have worked.

Put it this way, Lippi is sitting around. Serie A winner, CL winner, WC winner. Capello is sitting around, won a league title with every club he's ever been with. Also won the CL.

Are you trying to say for a minute they couldn't do something with our bunch that sh1te like Davies (who walked out on PNE for Derby btw), Burley (sacked with Ipswich & doing nothing at Soton). McAllister, 6 months at Coventry but is nothing more than a pundit! Souness glory hunting hack that's done nothing worthwhile as a manager. Dalglish, 10 years too late.

Calderwood, Jefferies etc. Don't make me laugh!

Strachan, Ferguson, Moyes will not take the job on full time.

The SFA have 2 choices. Make it part-time & give it to co-managers. Any 2 from Strachan, Collins, Moyes & Ferguson would be the best bet. This way they can share the workload & there would be no risk of them flatly turning it around because they could also keep their club jobs. So it makes it more appealing! It worked for Sweden when they had Soderberg & Largerback working together. When they went back to 1 they're now struggling badly!

Failing that, they need to loosen the purse strings & appoint a top class European manager! Ask people like Lippi, Capello, Van Gaal etc. If they laugh & say no, then fair enough, but if you don't ask then you don'

29

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 28/11/2007 15:17:33

#26

Nothing to do with him being an ex Bhoy of course.

30

Andy M - Hibby,

28/11/2007 15:22:51

#26 'Collins is the most exciting young manager that we have right now.'

Careful JamesBHOY you'll cause some of the maroon specs brigade to burst a vein with that statement. For the record I agree with you and I'd also include Craig Levein in that category.

But neither of them will touch the job with a bargepole for 10 years. Craig Levein is doing great things at Dundee United and will get another crack at a job down south with hopefully a more stable club than Leicester and John Collins in a couple of years will probably go back to France to manage a Ligue 1 side.

31

Edinburghs Finest,

28/11/2007 15:49:38

#14 ...What are talens?.... erse...

32

eck,

capital 28/11/2007 15:55:12

Does J C still need Tommy Craig to tell him what to say?Was tommy at the interview?

33

Greenanwhite1,

28/11/2007 16:08:14

#28
"Strachan,Ferguson,Moyes will not take the job on full time"
And you think Capello, Lippi and Van Gaal would?
Come on, let's be realistic. Where are the SFA going to find the money to pay for the former trio never mind the latter. It's nice to dream but we have to be pragmatic. Remember the old adage cut your coat according to your cloth. Same goes for Scotland job. These guys WOULD laugh at the salary being offered. But we dont have the resources to shell out £4-5m in salary payments to a manager.

34

Flying Upsidedown,

ma chambre 28/11/2007 16:13:04

I will do it, someone write me a special addition of football manager, easy peasy!

35

Crawford, Bauld, Wardhaugh and Urquart.,

USA 28/11/2007 16:20:35

#28 has it spot on. Only Houlier from my short leet yesterday has he omitted.
But this crap that Craig Brown is spewing out about it takes a Scot to know how we all think etc. - is he saying we are a weird race?
And we are taliking about SCOTLAND here.
If local tribal affairs cloud people's judgement so much they see the outstanding credentials of a Collins or Lambert, so be it.
Maybe it's this muddled thinking that has kept us in the basement of International football for so long.
Oh, and #5, funniest line in a longtime - even though the natives here don't understand my English either!

36

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 16:26:03

No way JC's ready for Scotland team. BUT--this story is merely one of what will probably be many over the years to speculate it--leading up to 10 or so years from now, when JC will make the move for that post (if Scotland hasn't been flooded by the melting of glaciers in that time, of course).

He is exciting, he does have the right qualifications, but he's too inexperienced in the job still (age has nothing to do with it).

37

mike 007,

abroad 28/11/2007 16:30:23

#25

I agree I think Craig Levein is the perfect choice, Hes done very well everywhere hes gone with very little money and quality !

38

Paramount.,

28/11/2007 16:31:50

Thought this a bit funny on hibbeesbounce:
http://www.hibeesbounce.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63107

39

JamesyBHOY,

28/11/2007 16:46:10

And you think Capello, Lippi and Van Gaal would?
Come on, let's be realistic. Where are the SFA going to find the money to pay for the former trio never mind the latter. It's nice to dream but we have to be pragmatic. Remember the old adage cut your coat according to your cloth. Same goes for Scotland job. These guys WOULD laugh at the salary being offered. But we dont have the resources to shell out £4-5m in salary payments to a manager.
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Em, why not!

Van Gaal & Capello have said they'd take the England job. Do you think they'd take that part-time!

Lippi has been very complementary to Scotland since 2005, even when his countrymen & media were running us down. Birmingham tried to Lippi & Jol but were both turned down.

Put it this way, you can only ask. If they say no, then fair enough! At least Smith can turn round to the fans & say I tried to get the very best for the job. If you don't ask then you don't get, it's as simple as that!

I doubt Lippi & Capello are looking for money. They're both at age where they're approaching the end of their careers. Capello has said he's looking for a challenge etc.

I'd imagine Lippi, or Capello would be more interested in the challenge. So 750 to 1mil per year I'd see being enough.

Let's look at it this way: We pay Davies or Burley 500k. We fail to get to the 2010 WC. That's 1mil down the pan. They fail again in the final 2 years to get us to the 2012 Euros. That's over 2 million lost in his salry. The SFA lost an estimated 5 mil by not qualifying for Euro 2008. How much when you add in 2010 & 2012 etc.

Now we go down the big manager route. They take us to 2010 WC. That's 2 mil in wages. The SFA lost out on 5 mil by now getting to Euro 2008. So how many more million for not reaching the world cup. Would you not prefer to give him 2 mil from their earnings that he helped bring in than

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JamesyBHOY,

28/11/2007 16:52:24

#28 has it spot on. Only Houlier from my short leet yesterday has he omitted.
But this crap that Craig Brown is spewing out about it takes a Scot to know how we all think etc. - is he saying we are a weird race?
And we are taliking about SCOTLAND here.
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Houllier would be a great appointment. The reason I didn;t include him is that I think he's done with management. He left Lyon to become a technical director of the French FA or something like that.

He'd be every bit as good as a manger we could find anywhere in the world. Although I think Lippi or Capello would be more realistic in that they aren't in any positions, aren't with any clubs & have admitted looking for work.

Fair enough, they may not be long term appointments but even if only for a couple of years. We could bring in people like Collins etc to work alongide him. Learn the ropes of a great manager, then be ready for when the time comes to take over themselves. They then can take other coaches on & show them what was learned etc.

Keep this going & we'll be all right!

Rather than the short term vision. Appoint a manager, they win a few games. Leave whenever someone flutters their eyelids at them. Takes everyone with them then we're back to square one looking for a new manager & staff etc.

Hoever the SFA have never showed vision or ambition & nor will they do when they appoint the new manager that will be another failed diddy that couldn't hack it in England!

41

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 16:59:03

Cripes, make your posts shorter Jamesy.

42

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 17:34:56

Reports on bbc pages say England are considering move houllier along with Rep of Ireland.

You would like to think that a team in the top 20 fifa world rankings wouldn't have to comprimise on a manager.

43

JamesyBHOY,

28/11/2007 18:40:19

Cripes, make your posts shorter Jamesy.
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Either that or get SM to increase the length of the messages. I just looked & saw a few paragraphs of #39 were cut out right at the end!

Dammit, I need more ranting space! :) :)
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Reports on bbc pages say England are considering move houllier along with Rep of Ireland.

You would like to think that a team in the top 20 fifa world rankings wouldn't have to comprimise on a manager.
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Simple! The SFA have no vision. The are like the little dork standing in the corner at the school dance. Too shy & afraid to approach the females incase they suffer the pain of relegation.

So little billy no mates stays in the corner all evening kicking the wall. Watching the other guys pick up all the good birds. Then at the end, the fat bird that nobody esle wanted smiles. They exchange waves & go off together to live happily ever after.

After less than a year of matri'money'. The bird slims herself down a bit, then starts to think she's better than she is. Another turd looks her way & she's off quicker than she can scoff down a packet deep fried mars bars!

If ROI are looking at quality managers like Houllier, then wtfh are we looking at rejects like Davies, Burley, Souness, Dalglish, McAllister etc, etc????? I'd think Houllier would come to us. Not only is he good friends with Ferguson, Roxburgh etc. He also comes to the SFA managers summits along with all the Scottish managers in the summer at Gleneagles!

44

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 18:58:28

Sounds about right tho i think your bit harsh on the credentials of a couple managers there. But point being if Scotland doesn't show some balls here then we cant expect managers with a good stock to take us seriously.

Interesting point on Houllier and meetings, tho was Wegner not there also, you think we could pinch him from gunners, lol. Thankfully we have time on our hands if that is something to be thankfull for anyway, so no panic appointments needed. Someone should point that out to Davies who tried to talk himself up as being in demand.

45

Paramount.,

28/11/2007 19:00:02

just watched scottish news real sad to see mcleish and aitken with grins the lenth of princess street,
hope they have to return to scotland for work in the new year,

46

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 19:06:04

kind of mirrors when mcleish took over hibs relegation battle which we lost then brought us back up had a good season and was off when went sticky again. Tho he has more time with brum this time, see if he is still smiling when the half of the 2nd biggest city in the uk turn on him.

47

HIBEES__FOREVER,

28/11/2007 19:07:04

Not related

But it looks like Willie Mcakay is one of the guys arrested today.

Great News!!!!!

What is Keith Jackson going to do his little chum is banged up ?

48

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 19:14:41

no.47 cheers great news on a boring night in work. the guy is a major sinner, always stirring players up to get his wee fat sweaty palms on some silver. hope they take away his license and locking him up wouldn't be an injustice either.

49

Crawford, Bauld, Wardhaugh and Urquart.,

USA 28/11/2007 19:22:23

Seems to be boiling down to a simple case of what line the SFA take.
Do they continue the "we are just a small nation, we cannot compete with the big guns."
As I have said before, they patently ignore the Croatia's and Holland's of Europe who can do the business despite being 'small nations'.
Houlier could do a great job getting the right type of coaching set-up at grass roots.
The SFA - does it stand for Stupid Football Association? should think big.
As has been said, there is millions of poinds out there for success, go ask one of the Big Fish, as my wife says, "if you don't ask, it's an automatic "NO".

50

John Robertson,

28/11/2007 19:54:28

ANYONE FOR ALEX MILLER

51

Paramount.,

28/11/2007 20:07:55

#50 No : he is a scout, very negative in
forward play, defence minded as we all know,
celtic getting beat ha. looks like both the BOLD-FIRM are going to get screwed in europe, nice.

52

Paramount.,

28/11/2007 20:09:52

Gary mc Allister has ruled himself out today: saying he wants a day to day job.

53

glasvegas hibs,

28/11/2007 20:41:10

no.50 sshhh dont say that to loud ffs. is he not backroom staff at liverpool.

no51 the better they do in europe the better placing we get all round. could be hibs soon;-)

54

victor ian`,

28/11/2007 21:03:44

green manks of leith

55

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 21:05:20

glasvegas, good on you keeping the faith. Let's use celtic as stepping stone--just a wee sett on our way on up!

56

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 21:07:22

#54 did posting close over on the stinky yam thread? you had to wander somewhere else?

57

Paramount.,

28/11/2007 21:38:27

herts supporters will no doubt close this forum down,
they are too stupid they argue with one another,
put them all up against a wall, bang bang.

58

ka-ka Mendez. ( columbia.),

28/11/2007 21:41:34

celtic put away a winner in injury time, oh no got to listen to the ginger dwarf, the tommy cooper of football managers.

59

ka-ka Mendez. ( columbia.),

28/11/2007 21:53:22

Just noticed on the hearts posts, hibs are now being classed as catholic b's, by a victor ian, and they wonder how trouble is started.

60

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 22:01:28

ka-ka, victor ian is one of those who has to be kicked out of the pub after closing time and thrown upon wet road. Whereupon he (or she as it may be) looks round for other pools of slime in which to crawl and make mischief.

61

BadBoy..,

28/11/2007 22:12:40

To come out with talk like that and not get reprimanded is beyond me. why dont the moderator take a close look at the yob. edinburgh's two sides can banter, without religion being dragged into it, my mother is catholic while father is church of scotland doe's this make any difference nooooo!

62

JAL to Easter Road,

28/11/2007 22:20:33

#61 Hibees threads = civilisation. That yam thread over there is vitriolic indeed. victor's gone off his meds. Stay over here in the light BadBoy.

63

victor ian,

28/11/2007 23:00:46

there is something badly amiss with people who feel the need to insidiously smear someone like that, knowing full well it's a clone.

i feel sorry for the genuine hibs fans having to share a thread with that nonsense.


 

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