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Published Date: 22 January 2008
A RETIRED driving instructor has been unmasked as the man behind a safety campaign aimed at cyclists who speed along the Union Canal. Self-confessed canal champion Stan McWhirter, 66, aroused speculation after secretly erecting fly-posting safety advice for cyclists along the towpath last summer.
Today as he admitted he was behind the mystery notes he welcomed the news that British Waterways has now erected signs restricting cyclists to top speeds of 6mph.

The trial, which will run for the next two months, will also see British Waterways employees conducting surveys with towpath users to determine whether the new signs have had an impact on reducing the speed of cyclists.

The move follows tensions between pedestrians and cyclists over the speed at which some people cycle on the narrow path.

The Evening News carried two stories about the phantom posters which had canal users and community groups scratching their heads over who was responsible.

Mr McWhirter from Balcarres Street in Morningside, created the posters after conducting an experiment on how many cyclists use bells to alert walkers to their presence.

He said: "Somebody was actually injured one time by a cyclist going too fast so one day I decided to sit at the Canal Society boat house and I counted 62 cyclists in two hours and only thirty-six of them used their bells.

"I decided to write the notes to encourage more people to do the same.

"I took me a long time to write them because I like to be very diplomatic and I was trying to appeal to their good nature.

"I would hide behind something to see if people were stopping to look at them.

"It was gratifying to see that people did stop and I think that they did take notice of them."

He added that he welcomed the British Waterways' initiative, saying: "It's good when people actually listen to what people are saying. Persuasion is better than shouting at people."

As well as being responsible for encouraging courteous cycling, Mr McWhirter is also behind the towpath's litter-free look.

He spends hours clearing rubbish from the path every week.

His efforts, from Wester Hailes to Harrison Park, have been praised by the local community, with regular canal users often seeing Mr McWhirter in action.

Bridget Stevens, chairwoman of Merchiston Community Council, described Mr McWhirter as "an unsung hero".

She said: "I think it's wonderful. As a result, the towpath is always spotless. It's the kind of spot that would normally be overflowing with litter if he wasn't there cleaning it up all the time."

Mr McWhirter became a member of the Edinburgh Canal Society about eight years ago.

He added: "They did a spring clean every year, but I felt it needed cleaning more regularly than that.

"I do about three days a week, usually about an hour at a time."

A spokesperson for British Waterways said: "In response to consultation with users of the towpath, we have introduced signs asking everyone to observe a 6mph speed limit.

"Our aim is to ensure all users have a safe, enjoyable experience."

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  • Last Updated: 25 January 2008 2:39 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Transport
 
1

druidh,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:05:51
Now the authorities know who he is, are they going to prosecute for illegal fly-posting?
2

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:17:39
Do British Waterways realise how stupid a "6mph maximum speed limit" is? At that speed, a cyclist risks getting overtaken by joggers, and it also makes the canal path completely unsuitable for long distance commuting. I doubt anyone will take any notice as they are completely impractical. As for consultation, nobody has consulted anybody that I know about it. More useful action might be to tarmac the path at Sighthill so that people could walk and cycle along it without getting mud all over their clothes
3

Random,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:17:43
And how do they plan on catching those who break the speed limit,,,,,, plus how will the cyclists know they are going faster than 6mph?
4

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:23:59
Why is it that EVERY SINGLE THING comes down to speed of travel?

Speed is NOT the issue here. The issues are that of the cyclists making pedestrians aware of their presence, that of pedestrians being aware of cyclists and of the two showing due consideration for each other. There is no other issue.

What next? Speed humps for cyclists? Speed cameras? Whoever suggested this speed limit is brain dead.
5

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 22/01/2008 12:24:20
Will cyclists now post signs asking walkers to stop spreading themselves into a line across the whole width of the path? :o)
6

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 22/01/2008 12:29:12
"Somebody was actually injured one time by a cyclist going too fast"

According to Mr McWhirter there are an average of 36 cyclists per hour. Multiplied by a conservative 8 hours of cycling use each day equates to 105,120 cyclists per year. One injury does not require this ill-judged intervention.

"I counted 62 cyclists in two hours and only thirty-six of them used their bells."

I often cycle this route with friends. As we're in a group only the leader will sound their bell.

"British Waterways has now erected signs restricting cyclists to top speeds of 6mph"

Doubt I will use the waterways now. This speed restriction equates to a journey of 12 hours to get to Falkirk Wheel and back (ordinarily 6 hours); a real shame. I've been using them for years with no animosity whatsoever.

"I would hide behind something to see if people were stopping to look at them."

Kudos for your clean-up operation but I doubt anyone wants to be snooped upon in this fashion. It may also lead to some very tricky questioning if caught.
7

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22/01/2008 12:34:34
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ex-resident,

selby 22/01/2008 12:37:07
Three cheers for Mr McWhirter and his efforts, but the BWB 6mph is an unimaginative response. I've cycled this stretch on holiday, and I'm a boat owner down here, so see both sides. Pictorial notices firmly giving pedestrians priority and urging mutual tolerance would be enough.
9

Embra boy,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:38:07
#7 Spot on, I was also going to point out the "someone was injured one time" quote.

More and more people are cycling nowadays, and cyclists seem to come in for much abuse from car users (on the road), and pedestrians (on cycle paths).

We all know that the problem lies with a small minority of cyclists who persist in ignoring the rules of the road (traffic lights especially), and treating pedestrians with contempt.

The only think I don't have a handle on is how we solve this problem.
10

Rigsby,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:41:03
#5 speed bumps for cyclist - they are here already. On the path approaching the canal basin in Fountainbridge...
11

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 22/01/2008 12:41:52
Get a grip people and look at the real issue here before climbing on your high horses. All types of user on this route have those that show no consideration. The 'speeding' cyclists (yes cyclists, you will know how fast is too fast even if the somewhat arbitrary 6mph limit is difficult to measure). The 'spread out' pedestrians - show some sense and let other users past. All users show use this article as a 'wakeup' call, and instead of whinging over the rights and wrongs of the matter just use the route sensibly. 'obsessed maniac', 'self imposed law man'? Hardly, to me the guy has a genuine interest in the environment and safety of the area and is doing his best to improve things.

And #7 - one injury is too many, and not all incidents/injuries will be reported or widely known about. It's not really the main point, the important thing is safety.
12

Sarcasm,

22/01/2008 12:49:29
Well well, what goes around comes around.

Arbitrary speed limits, no consultation, no real justification, inconvenience, longer journeys, oh how you laughed.

It's not us, it's those pesky pedestrians.
You'll be calling for pedestrian insurance and cycle path tax contribution next.
13

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22/01/2008 12:54:29
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:57:48
...and just what are they going to do if a cyclist exceeds the 6mph speed limit? Take a picture of their non-existant registration number, then send them a letter to their adress, as listed on the non-existant cycle registration database, then require them to pay a fine and submit their non-existant cycling licence for endorsement?

Presumably once they reach 12 points on their non-existant cyclists licence, they will be banned on totting up and will have to resort to using the car.

How rediculous.
15

raythebear,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:58:22
6mph!!!!!
how is anyone supposed to cycle that slowly and does that mean that joggers/runners will be banned.
Get a life
16

Finbarr Saunders,

22/01/2008 13:08:58
16 - Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head - "...and just what are they going to do if a cyclist exceeds the 6mph speed limit?"

Like I said, men with sticks!
17

I still don't believe it !,

22/01/2008 13:19:35
#18 I know where I would like to shove a stick. In fact I know a good chimney sweep who would sort you out!



18

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 13:21:04
Surely this man doesn't expect cyclists to obey the law? Everyone knows that they are exempt from it and have total freedom to break any law they like.
19

Nisbet,

22/01/2008 13:26:29
"I would hide behind something to see if people were stopping to look at them"

BOY:Daddy, there's a man hiding behind something.
FATHER:Don't worry son, he probably only wants you to stop and look at his things.
20

an interested party,

22/01/2008 13:28:05
tarmac the footpath, fill in the water and allow cyclist to go as fast as they like?

its a simple mater of courtesy to slow your speed as you pass walkers or horses and a matter of safety when passing dogs. clearly there are some that never do this
(there are many that do) prompting others to take action resulting in a (somewhat silly)6mph limit



21

nash,

22/01/2008 13:29:09
I thought the 6mph was for the boats.

Anyway, what's wrong with a bit of live and let live?

I cycle along the path pretty much every day. I don't have a bell, but I have bright lights, high viz clothing, slow right down at blind spots, and wait till walkers see me before going past them. All pedestrians need to do is look out at the blind spots, not walk 4 abreast, not have ipods on so high they can't hear what's coming and keep their dogs under control.

It works fine as it is.
22

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 13:33:00
#23 >Anyway, what's wrong with a bit of live and let live?

Cyclists? Live and let live?
23

JFW,

New town 22/01/2008 13:35:17
Good to see someone who has a bit of public spirit - he should be applauded. Cyclists need to be aware that this is primarily a footpath and is very narrow in certain sections. I'm a keen cyclist but I think it's unsuitable as a route for a brisk training session or getting from a to b quickly, so the trial speed limit is justified in my opinion, although I think 10mph might be a bit more reasonable.
24

Ron D,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 13:52:24
Fill in the canal and turn it into a road.

Convert the towpath to an official dog toilet.

Ban bicycles completely.

Common sense.
25

Finbarr Saunders,

22/01/2008 13:56:35
#19 - I still don't believe it ! - Please don't involve me in your Dick Van Dyke related fantasies!

26

AJM,

22/01/2008 14:04:02
The guy is off the trolley that has been thrown in the canal and so are the waterways for listening to him. I have a speedometer fitted to my bike and when out with my daughter she does an average of 6.7 miles an hour, and she is not fast. For me to cycle at that speed is hard. As few bikes have speedos how is it going to be enforced? Oh it obvious if the bike is going faster than walking pace he/she is speeding. What annoys me is that he is the sort to get in his car to go everywhere, why is he not chasing them down the street, cyclists are easy targets.
27

EK,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 14:06:29
You can easily work out how fast 6 mph is (I did wonder whether standards of education had gone down in this country; now I am certain) - If you start at the eastern end of the canal at Cargo Club in Fountainbridge and travel to Meggetland sports field in 15 minutes (that's a distance of 1,5 miles) then you are travelling at 6 mph.

If the cycle path is empty and you can see well ahead there seems no danger to others to go a bit faster. Remember however the heavier you are, the more force you build up (imagine the difference between a hulking man travelling fast smashing into you and a frail old lady at the same speed).

When pedestrians are around slow down, ring the bell or say excuse me to people travelling in same direction as you. Say thank you when passing them if they have moved to let you past. Pedestrains take off your music and be aware of your surroundings. Cyclists slow down when approaching other cyclists and when going past narrow areas or where you can't see ahead properly (bridges, bends etc).
It's all quite simple really if you use your brain and try to be considerate.
As for the man who cleans up all the rubbish from the canal towpath - I see him diligently doing this several times a week. Well done to him. Not many would be so generous with their time. He was only trying to help people to be more considerate and be a bit safer with his signs.
28

Monkey shines!,

On a high horse! 22/01/2008 14:07:45
Won't somebody please think of the children!!
29

EK,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 14:19:00
#32. I'm sure you have a much more exciting life than I do, however, I was just trying to point out to some of the people writing comments how they could work out how fast 6 mph was! And by the way it only took me 15 seconds to work out. Not much anyone could do in that time!!!!! Still time to do something exciting with the rest of my day.
30

Choose a nameDr_Joseph_Phd,

Tynescos 22/01/2008 14:31:20
#30 EK

This method only provides an average speed. Limits are for any given time ie. if caught at 40mph a mile into a 30mph zone; claiming an intention to travel at 20mph for the next mile will not see your ticket quashed.

Only took me 10 seconds to work out.
31

Kdv,

Sitting in a big metal box wearing a seat belt lig 22/01/2008 14:43:43
Cyclists should stick to the canal and keep off the roads.
They should not be allowed in the cities as they do not pay for road insurance.

They do nothing but irritate the road tax paying members of our fine nation.
At the very least they should be made to pay road tax.
Have a mot, made to do some kind of bicycle test.
Only if they past that said test they should then be allowed on certain roads class C.
If the local communities to that road have been consulted and have okay it.
One objection to that road usage would disallow all cyclists from usage.



UTOPIA
32

alex patersons English teacher,

22/01/2008 14:48:22
30. Pedestrains

Is that what you get when a cyclist surprises you from behind.
33

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22/01/2008 15:06:54
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Friar Tuck,

22/01/2008 15:07:20
I can walk faster than 6 m.p.h. Does the speed limit apply to me too?
35

EK,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 15:07:33
#35: I agree. You could cycle to Yeaman Place at a snail's pace and then zoom up to 50 mph(!) if you had good calves and still be doing 6 mph on average. I should have clarified my first post by using the word "constant speed" - otherwise the calculations CAN get cumbersome! And would take me more than 15 s to work out (gear ratios, pedal revolutions - I'm already out of my depth)

#38. Haha. OK it was a typo! Good comment.

#37. You have a point with the road tax. I steer clear of roads (I have owned a car and a bike simultaneously)as far as possible as it is dangerous. However, pedestrians can also walk across roads yet don't have to pay road tax. Are you saying we should ban them too? You should maybe just run them over when they get in your way! OK that was a bit pedantic, but only fitting in with the tone of these comments in general!!!!



36

Friar Tuck,

22/01/2008 15:10:15
#39 I love to eat Sellotape - reminds me of the sign in Florida -

"Beware of the allegators - No trespassing - survivors will be prosecuted."
37

Kdv,

22/01/2008 15:12:17
41 good idea yes we should go for it
38

alex patersons English teacher,

22/01/2008 15:40:55
42.
you cant just say that,we need proof that these creatures actually exist.
39

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 15:43:31
#25
This is not primarily a footpath for peds but primarily a towpath for boats.
There are any ways to tow boats, by foot is certainly one of them, but not the only!
40

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22/01/2008 15:46:20
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41

D Napier,

22/01/2008 15:59:13
British Waterways should check that these cyclists hold a valid permit to cycle on the towpaths.
42

Naked Shambler,

22/01/2008 16:25:12
I dont think there is a speed limit factor.
43

Getyourfactsright,

22/01/2008 16:37:10
#37 - There's no such thing as road tax. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty. By any sensible reckonning, if VED was extended to cycles the duty would be nil anyway. It is nil for ultralow emmisions vehicles (like electric cars) and where payable it's based either on emmissions (for cars and light vans) or axle weight (for trucks).

#47 - No need for a permit to cycle on a towpath in Scotland, our outdoor access code gives a right to responsible access on canal towpaths to pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists. I think you need one south of the border though.

44

Glenda,

blah 22/01/2008 16:49:20
Typical responses as usual by most idiots who comment here.

Who are they to tell us to slow down/ring a bell/act responsibly? etc etc.....

Poor guy just wants to establish some guidelines but straight away he's accused of being a wacko (and even more pathetic #21 would like to imply that he's a paedophile).

Get a life.

Why don't we just do away with all rules and do whatever the hell we like?

It's pathetic....
45

feenster,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 16:53:42
I see a new campaign for spokes :

"We want speed limits for rowers runners and Houseboats on the canal, their backdraft casues us fall to into the canal as we try to track stand our way along it, while dutifully observing the new speed limits for bikes"
46

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 16:55:08
#25 - it's not primarily a footpath, it's a towpath - and it's also a National Cycle Route.

#47 - while British Waterways are checking cyclists' permits, perhaps they could remind the dog walkers that dogs must be kept on a short lead on canal paths?

I cycle the canal path as part of my commute, from Leamington to Ashley Terrace. I tend to stick to 10-15 mph on clear stretches, slowing right down at bridges, chicanes and where there are pedestrians, I have a loud bell and I use it, and my bike is well lit at night. I'm not going to slow down to 6mph, and that's that.

If we want to improve safety on the canal path, more cyclists should have lights and bells and actually use them, and the pedestrians who amble along there at night in their dark winter coats should have a bit of common sense and wear or carry something white or reflective. They're practically invisible until you're nearly on them, no matter how slow you go.
47

Kdv,

22/01/2008 17:06:24
51
Getyourfactsright
Me me me

OH aye typical want everything, pay for nothing shame on you.
48

Getyourfactsright,

22/01/2008 17:11:52
#56 I pay council tax, which amongst other things goes towards maintaining roads and pathways. I pay income tax and national insurance on what I earn. I pay VED for the privelege of owning a car. I pay VAT on almost everything I buy, and the various duties on fuel and alcohol. Hardly counts as "pay for nothing" does it?
49

Paul Voltiare,

22/01/2008 17:23:14
#1, No.
50

Davy,

Peterhead 22/01/2008 17:34:25
Somebody suggested a cull on cyclists
I personally think that is a bit server
Just make cyclists do community service and make it a crime to even mention the word cycle on pain of excommunication.
51

druidh,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 17:56:32
#59 Why not? Is he related to Wendy Alexander?
52

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 19:08:54
The only thing that cyclists should be made to do along the canal walkway is to have a bell on their bikes and use it.

FAR too many of them think the walkway is for them and not pedestrians, which is totally wrong.

Cyclists are always going to use the route and use it at high speeds, but for f**ks sake, use a bell!!
53

rover,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 19:16:55
If the police cannot enforce the speed limit on some roads how will the limit work, totaly useless
54

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 19:27:09
#62 - the canal towpath is an official National Cycle Route. It's NOT "for pedestrians" - both have equal rights of access.
55

Euan,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 20:06:03
#64

Agreed.

What I am saying is that it would appear that a LOT(not all) of cyclists ignorantly think that they should have automatic priority and to hell with anyone that slows them down on their oh-so-important quest to get wherever they are going as fast as possible.
56

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 20:23:38
#65 - I wouldn't disagree with that. Equally, there are plenty of pedestrians who walk in groups right across the path, who have their mp3 players turned up so they can't hear bells, who walk dogs on long leads or no leads (contrary to British Waterways instructions re short leads), who let their dogs sniff around in the verges and then when a cyclist approaches call the dog to them so it runs right across the path, and who walk the path at night (it's unlit) wearing dark clothes and carrying no light, reflective, white carrier bag or anything visible so that they are almost invisible to cyclists, even those of us who have good lights. There are faults on both sides, and an unenforceable speed limit set so low most cyclists would struggle to manage it and not wobble off isn't going to help.
57

Gothic Rose,

22/01/2008 20:33:13
Will Happily help dump the litter louts in the canal,along with the Edinburgh City Cleansing Dept.
58

Getyourfactsright,

22/01/2008 21:10:59
#66 couldn't agree more. Ultimately cyclists are not a different life form, they are just people who at the time you see them are riding a bike.

There are a lot of idiots and inconsiderate people out there, some on foot as you describe, some on bikes as others have described.

I don't think a speed limit which is ridiculously low, has no standing in law, and is unenforceable is a solution. If it was taken seriously, it would be an end to running, cycling and rowing training on the canal. I expect it will be shown the same contempt that the "rules" on dog walking on the canal receive.

Maybe a "mutual respect" campaign, run by British Waterways in conjunction with Spokes and the Canal Society is the way forward, rather than an "single issue campaigner" like our flyposting old man with an axe to grind. In the spirit of taking things into my own hands, maybe I should pop into Torphicen and complain about his criminal flyposting activities? :-)
59

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 21:15:09
#69- mwahahahahaha. And his peeping tom act?
60

is it me?,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 21:25:37
Good grief.70 posts on bicycle bells. All's well with the world.
61

Finbarr Saunders,

22/01/2008 22:05:20
What happened to my comment at #14?

All I suggested was that British Waterways hire blokes to monitor the speeding cyclists on the canal path and shove big sticks into the spokes of those who choose to disregard the speed limit!

Why was that deleted? For fear of upsetting cyclists?

62

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 22:18:59
How do you suggest they do it? With speed guns like the police use? Will they also monitor joggers?
63

Plantagenet,

22/01/2008 22:41:24
Ban the cyclists from the towpath they spoil a nice walk on a pleasant summer day, in fact ban cyclists from everywhere, they're a damn nuisance wherever you encounter them.
64

Finbarr Saunders,

22/01/2008 22:51:47
#72 - Artemis - Speed guns, definitely.

Don't care about joggers so much. The joggers that can run more than 6mph are normally really scrawney and will come off worse if they run into anyone!
65

Artemis,

Embra 22/01/2008 23:01:30
#73 - nice to see you're taking a balanced view and not exaggerating the matter. Like I said before, the towpath is an official National Cycle Route and cyclists have every right to be there. Not all cyclists are a nuisance, any more than all pedestrians or all cars or all children or all women or all dogs.
66

Plantagenet,

22/01/2008 23:05:06
Several years ago when walking the canal path, I made my way over the viaduct, half way over I heard the tinkle of the cyclist's bell behind me. I tried to make room by leaning back against the parapet of the bridge to allow room for the cyclist to pass. To my amazement the cyclist, being a smartypants zoomed past me, lost his balance and shot straight into the canal. I pulled the unfortunate fellow out of the canal, left him sitting there bemused and dripping wet wondering where his bike had gone. I made my excuses and left him there, I had to, I had to get a safe distance away to explode into laughter. I promise you, I did not nudge him as he passed me.


67

Plantagenet,

22/01/2008 23:15:30
73. If I had a pound for every time a cyclist on this towpath sneaked silently up behind me without ringing his or her bell I would be rich indeed. Oh, and if you dare say anything to them, woe betide! in my experience, fifty per cent of them are totally obnoxious, thirty per cent, a nuisance, eighteen per cent almost tolerable and if I can find my calculator to find out how many's left, they are the nice, friendly ones.
68

Plantagenet,

22/01/2008 23:16:14
oops. 75.

73. If I had a pound for every time a cyclist on this towpath sneaked silently up behind me without ringing his or her bell I would be rich indeed. Oh, and if you dare say anything to them, woe betide! in my experience, fifty per cent of them are totally obnoxious, thirty per cent, a nuisance, eighteen per cent almost tolerable and if I can find my calculator to find out how many's left, they are the nice, friendly ones.
69

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 23/01/2008 03:01:40
what.happend.to.just.showing.respect.for.each.other
70

Getyourfactsright,

23/01/2008 09:37:56
#78, if I had a pound for every person in a group who just walked towards me 2 or 3 abreast when I'd slowed to wobbling pace, or ignored the tingaling of my bell I'd be a rich man - in fact I could probably afford to buy another car...

#79, common decency isn't that common any more I'm afraid.
71

Ron D,

EnyBru 23/01/2008 16:28:56
I hope this doesn't mean they'll be enforcing the 30mph speed limit on the roads as well. Don't they know how difficult it is for me to keep my Range Rover below 30?
72

Artemis,

Embra 23/01/2008 21:37:01
#79 - people expect to get respect, but they don't want to give it. Moving on, has nobody told you the difference between full stops and spaces?
73

Hugh,

Edinburgh 01/02/2008 12:24:31
I walk the canal and I bike it. 6mph is ridiculously slow when there is nobody else around. 6mph is ridiculously fast coming up behind someone - high viz jacket or not. Slowing down and a decent bell is all that is required.
74

Cad on castors,

Edingburgh 04/02/2008 09:14:37
It seems that the 'logic' behind this ruling to ensure that cyclists pass walkers at no more than 2 Mph more than the speed walkers themselves are likely to be doing. I wonder if all those who think this is a good idea would also support a ruling stating that motorists are only allowed to go 2 Mph faster than the average riding speed of a cyclist, say 14 Mph/? (Especially given that a motor vehicle has a far greater potential to kill or maim than a bicycle). Some how I doubt it and I suspect that many of those who think that 6 Mph is quite fast enough for a bicycle due to the supposed 'danger' posed by any higher speed also feel that when driving on country lanes it is quite acceptable to pass cyclists with only inches to spare at 60 Mph or more!
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janetha,

harrison 26/05/2009 16:48:30
io think ringing bell means get out of my way pedes would like to say yes i saw the notes that man put up and would like to say they were in no way rude not like the speeding cyclist remember he is from a generation of people who take other people into concederation not like the cyclist that has 1 killed a dog 2 that almost hit my toddiller and would have killed him 3 that has hit another dog 5 times that hit an old lady .people have the write of way and you need a permit yes none of you have them iam sick of you speeding bikes not all are as rude as yous ringing your bell is to say iam cuming not get out of my way and get of your bikes when going under bridge as you cant see who is cuming unless you have special powers like you think you do it is a tow path not a road if you see a dog or child or person slow down is that too much to UNDERSTAND

 

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