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Published Date: 16 October 2008
LEITH WALK is set to get its first break from tram roadworks in 18 months under plans being considered by transport chiefs.
The embargo on roadworks in the city centre for Christmas would be extended as part of proposals aimed at giving Leith traders, and commuters, some respite over the festive season.

Traders on Leith Walk have taken the brunt of the tramworks so far and many have complained that the disruption has cost them thousands in lost revenue.

Businesses have called for a two-month cessation of works, but a more likely scenario will see a five-week embargo starting in mid-December.

Tram firm TIE is still finishing work to move utilities under Leith Walk and has just started preparation work for laying tram tracks on the busy shopping street.

The plan will be discussed at a TIE board meeting next week, but it has today won the backing of city leader Jenny Dawe.

Alan Rudland, vice-chairman of the Leith Walk and Constitution Street Traders Association, said: "If everything had gone to plan, then we would have had a two-month break between the utilities and the track-laying work, but clearly that has not happened.

"The businesses down here cannot continue to sustain the barrage of roadworks, so we have called for a two-month cessation.

"We need this because of the different types of traders here, some of which are reliant on the Christmas run-up but others who are busier in January."

The next phase of work for the tram tracks on Leith Walk will involve narrowing pavements, removing lampposts and putting in temporary lighting, as well as building up a new road surface.

Cllr Dawe said: "I have been pushing for this for some time."

Willie Gallagher, TIE chairman, said he would listen to the traders and agree a compromise.

"It will be for a five-week period to cover the January sales. We've not been asked to cover the sales before, but it should make it a lot easier for visitors making use of the businesses on Leith Walk."

A spokesman for TIE said the proposals would be discussed at a TIE board meeting next week and the exact timing of the works embargo will be worked out with interested stakeholders.


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  • Last Updated: 16 October 2008 2:53 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Transport
 
1

mystic,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 11:51:36
Break in the tram works? Only because these idiots are going on holiday during the festive season.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
2

allknowing,

16/10/2008 11:52:40
or, lets cancel all this cr4p, and spend the money elsewhere.

With flats now being mothballed at Leith, there is no longer a buisness case.
3

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 11:59:39
#2 - There never was a clear business case for this vanity project in the first place.
4

allknowing,

16/10/2008 12:01:26
#3 quite right, that should read as
" There is no longer a magical business case" my apologies.
5

eric,

lothian 16/10/2008 12:01:34
There was never a biz case in first place. only reaching 8% POPULATION finacial jobs going mothballed at leith etc etc.i hope it goes ahead.that will show em.glasgow is on right track with train link to airport.its had more experience at being a city hasnt it.
6

the dog,

embra 16/10/2008 12:03:43
did i miss the bit about the buggies
7

Leila,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:04:26
It's hard to believe TIE are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, particularly when their own bonuses depend on finishing on schedule. There must be more to it than that. Could it be they need to call a halt to have a review and consider mothballing the tram project?
8

Skip McClendon,

16/10/2008 12:23:45
Oops, looks like TIE / ECC has run out of cash. Aberdeen City, Mk II anyone?
9

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 12:45:44
Why no coverage of the far bigger tram-related story in today's Scotsman? - 'Luxury builder goes to the wall as jobless figures rise' (Waterfront goes down the Pan) http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Luxury-builder-goes-to-the.4596475.jp
Without Yuppieville-on-Forth(£1 million Executive Luxury Apartments), what is the purpose of the TramLINE?
10

Skip McClendon,

16/10/2008 12:47:20
#10

It has no purpose. In fact, it always had no purpose. Now it has less than none.
11

Jim W,

16/10/2008 12:47:45
They'll still be digging up three quarters of the city even if they suspend works in Leith Walk!

All designed to create the illusion of congestion.

Traffic Planning ... they couldn't plan the proverbial drinking session in a brewery!

12

Concerned of Leith,

16/10/2008 13:01:23
The last two paragarpahs contradict each other! "It will be for a five-week period to cover the January sales" and, "the exact timing of the works embargo will be worked out with interested stakeholders".

Another of TIEs done deals, or a true consideration of the needs of the businesses?
13

Nectar,

Leaf Wok 16/10/2008 13:05:25
Isn't the busiest time for retailers the weeks leading up to Xmas? The Scotsman has a story about toys selling out already-what use is a break in roadworks during the January sales?
14

scotsol,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 13:13:40
I met a typical anti-trammer at the tram meeting a few days ago in St Mary's cathedral. TIE had put up a lot of maps showing where the tram routes are to be, parking spaces, loading bays, pedestrian crossings, etc. A woman who looked like she could do with a bit more exercise came up and told an official that she was "very perturbed" at the lack of planned pedestrian crossings near her house. The official pointed to about three planned crossings close to her house on the plan. She repeated that she was perturbed. He pointed to the plans again. She repeated that she was perturbed again, and so it went on. The official at last realised there was no point in talking to people who have decided to have a grievance come what may. Who was she - Fuelhead, or GraemeH perhaps?
15

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/10/2008 13:18:57

Headlines two months from now

Crunch Bites Christmas

It's A Blue Xmas For Tram Hit Traders

All I Want For Xmas Is Affordable Housing

Monkey In Space - To Stand For Council On Return To Earth

HBoS LLoyds Merger Still In Doubt, Says Santa
16

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/10/2008 13:20:56

#15

Profile of a Typical Anti-Trammer:

1. Live or works in Edinburgh
2. Isn't a dribbling eejit
17

The Judge,

16/10/2008 13:28:16
Willie Gallagher, TIE chairman, said he would listen to the traders and agree a compromise.

"It will be for a five-week period to cover the January sales. We've not been asked to cover the sales before, but it should make it a lot easier for visitors making use of the businesses on Leith Walk."

January sales?

Leith Walk?

Someone should tell Tramcar Willie Edinburgh is closed for business and will be till his tramLINE is finished, no amount of stunts like the one above will change that.

2 years 3 months till opening day. Have they laid a single inch of track yet?


18

scotsol,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 13:49:50
#15 - er, right, so anti-trammers aren't eejits? OK then, look at the postings today and try to make sense of them. We're against the trams because they're a waste of money, so we want no trams. At the same time we're against them because there's only one line, so we want more trams. We're against them because they're damaging traders on Leith Walk, but if operations are suspended we're against that too, because they will take longer and why isn't it finished by now? We hate TIE because they want to spin this out as long as possible to make as much money as they can, but at the same time we hate them because they need to finish on schedule to get their bonuses and they're going too fast. Make sense of that dribbling eejitude if you can.
19

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 13:52:24
So once the toy train set is installed, are they going to cancel the trams and revert to normality in Leith Walk over coming christmasses?

Get real! These disruptions are going to be PERMANENT. They are not going to allow normal traffic and trams to interact as they used to in the old days. What they are installing is not a tram system, it is a bl00dy LIGHT RAILWAY, where the tracks are out of bounds to everything without flanged wheels.

It is about time that this crazy scheme was scrapped. It is still not too late.
20

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/10/2008 14:01:37

#20

Eejitude was probably not holding a referendum. I think realistically the result would be 60% no to trams.

As Alternative (High Octane) Fuel head says though: it's not to late to scrap the trams and get yished instead.
21

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 14:16:43
#20. My personal opinion is that to spend £700m and years of disruption on a project with no viable business case, one which will require ongoing subsidy paid for by bus users, which makes no material difference to overall pollution and congestion (in many cases it is actually worse), which adversely impacts thousands of bus users through reduced services and longer journey times through having to switch from bus to tram and in some cases bus again, which is less covenient for the majority of potential users when compared to existing bus services, which is likely to contribute to shortfalls in council funding and potentially higher council tax through loss of current Lothian Buses dividends and which is being managed by a non-accountable quango with no track record is a bad idea.

That does not make me an eejit.
22

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 16/10/2008 14:31:39

#24 - a referendum on the trams wouldn't end up with people getting hanged at the Grassmarket.

But you're right - Edinburgh Trams and capital punishment have a long history. Bring back trams, and you bring back

Hanging
Smog
Rickets
Cremola Foam
Gaberdine
Bakelite
The metric system
Big band music
Sawdust
23

Statsman,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:21:07
I hate this tram project.
24

Statsman,

Edinburgh 16/10/2008 15:22:24
People in favour of trams appear to be destructive sociopaths.
25

WL,

livingston 16/10/2008 15:42:57
So they have been working in Leith Walk for 18 months and there is still no sign that the tram tracks are going to be laid some time soon.
Probably they don't even know how to lay the tram tracks, hence the delay.
26

valleyjim,

16/10/2008 15:51:18
#30. your debating skills leave a lot to be desired. If you have nothing to contribute leave it to the people that have. a@@hole
27

valleyjim,

16/10/2008 15:53:03
I'm goin for a carry-oot. yev pi@@ed me off.
28

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 16/10/2008 15:56:34
Could the whole tram fiasco and all the other roadworks in Edinburgh be the council's revenge on Edinburgh's citizens for having blocked their proposal to install a congestion charge?
29

valleyjim,

16/10/2008 16:16:44
#39. I never lie on the floor. people should always tell the truth when in a horizontal floor position for obvious reasons.
30

Charles MN,

16/10/2008 16:50:04
#35 What timetable? Can you give a link to a timetable that said Leith Walk MUDFA operations would take till now. All I can find is a timetable in the final business case section 12.10 which says ALL of the MUDFA work will be completed by Nov 2008. And that's not going to happen.

However that same document said:

"As well as avoiding busy times of the year (the Festival, Christmas etc.), works on any road section will be limited to 200m on one side of the road only. It is not currently anticipated that any roads or junctions will be closed and weekend work may be carried out at key junctions to minimise disruption."
31

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 16/10/2008 23:14:24
Be aware that every major city on mainland Europe is in total gridlock, Manchest, Nottingham, Sheffield, Birmingham, Dublin are in total gridlock. Why? Because they have tramways and obviously they cause congestion. Obviously none of these places with experience of trams want any more of them................
Sorry, correction, except all of them are extending their systems becuase they are very popular. Obviously Edinburgh is a special case and has some hiddne demographic which means uniquely in the world trams won't work here.
32

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 17/10/2008 08:43:22
#45. Trams have not worked in the UK cities you mention. If the current results had been known when these systems were proposed they would not have been built.

EVERY new build tram system in the UK has been a failure when measured against its original objectives.
33

Serious,

Gilmerton 17/10/2008 09:04:10
Hopefully TIE will go bankrupt and leave us alone. Forever.
34

Old Cartha Boy,

17/10/2008 11:03:38
The story conveys that Leith Walk at Xmas and into the New Year periods resemble a German Xmas Market scene - stalls selling Gluhwein, fine fayre, high quality Xmas goods and decorations, a Santa Claus every 100 yards bringing good cheer as a light fall of snow shows Leith Walk to be a magical place for all your Xmas needs.......assuming your needs are a a haircut, Turkish or Chinese takeaways, hoover bags, another haircut, Polish food, second hand charity goods, the odd pub or a hundred open all hours to cater for the "tourist and shift workers".....can't wait!
35

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 17/10/2008 21:04:04
#46
Yes , they have, the most spectacular being Nottingham but they have all exceeded expectations. In Dublin they have been even more successful.
What has been a failure is the urban motorway idea, many of them are like big car parks in rush hour times and further out as well.
I used to live in Cheshire and worked in Manchester. My journey to work by train and tram [40 miles] took 45 minutes inclusive. I tried using the car on a few occasions when I had to go somewhere else after work. My best time to work was 2 hours.
36

Big bob 79,

20/10/2008 15:55:01
The Genuine Mario Antoinette
keep up the good work, may not agree with you but the posts from mid twenties onwards get better and better LOL.....
37

David55,

London 25/10/2008 14:36:43
I still like the idea of a link from the city centre to the airport. That's the only reason I think the tram scheme a good idea. I would rather they had just went for a rail link. That would have been less expensive, if the right scheme was chosen, and wouldn't have created the same chaos.
38

Rage Dave,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 19:49:27
The solution is simple.

BAN PUBLIC TRANSPORT!

It's a waste of money! The only way forward for this city is A CAR ONLY CITY!

*Close the railway stations
*Close down all bus routes
*ban bikes

If you can't drive, then get the hell out of my city! You are not needed here!

NO PUBLIC TRANSPORT, SAY YES TO A CAR ONLY CITY!
39

Rage Dave,

17/06/2009 19:57:05
32

You're right.

There is only ones solution:

GET RID OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT

I plead with ANYONE reading this to boycott all public transport. This will send a message:

"We the people want CARS NOT BUSES!"

 

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