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Published Date:
04 December 2007
HIBS boss John Collins today urged his players to add a more aggressive streak to their play as they bid to get back to winning ways.
The Easter Road side have received plenty of plaudits this season for their passing, attacking style and have been credited with generally playing an entertaining brand of football.

However, against Aberdeen at Pittodrie on Sunday this wasn't enough for them to take anything from the game as the Dons battled and scrapped for everything, eventually being rewarded with a 3-1 victory.

With Dundee United, Hearts and Celtic all dropping points over the weekend, the defeat was a blow to Hibs who could have cemented their position in third place in the SPL with at least a point.

Collins plans to sit down this week and analyse footage of the weekend clash to see where the game was lost although he has already identified the need for his players to be more physical in their approach.

"We've got lots of young players in our side and as long as we can learn from our mistakes and improve then that's all you can ask for," said Collins.

"We will sit down and look at where things went wrong for us and see how we can rectify them.

"Sunday was a combination of things that we need to work on, including defending crosses into the box.

"We worked all of last week on that so we will have to take another look at that. I don't think we were aggressive enough going into tackles and we can improve in all areas of the pitch. We didn't carry enough threat at the top end and we didn't defend well enough either. Our possession and passing wasn't how it should be."

Patrick Noubisse was part of the squad which travelled to Pittodrie and the player warmed up with the rest of his team-mates before the match despite not making the cut.

The Frenchman has spent the last three months on loan at Livingston - an agreement struck between the clubs after Collins pipped former Hibs caretaker manager Mark Proctor to his signature. He returned to Easter Road just last week and was part of the 19 who travelled north for Sunday's game. The player was involved in the pre-match routine with the rest of the first-team squad, including when they were put through their paces out on the pitch before kick-off.

Collins feels that it is vital to give the younger players at the club a taste of what it is like to be involved with the top team and added: "Patrick was part of the squad, although he didn't make the final 18, but he was in the dressing room and out on the pitch warming up with the rest of the lads.

"It's good for him to feel involved and it's something that we have done in the past with the Under-19s players or some of the younger lads who have just missed out on a place on the bench.

"It's just to give him a wee feel for it and hopefully it will benefit him when he does become involved with the side."

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  • Last Updated: 04 December 2007 11:33 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: John Collins , Hibernian FC
 
1

Hibernian fc '' Erin go Bragh '' '' 1875 '',

04/12/2007 12:24:01

i've been happy with the form of hibs lately, apart from dons game which was dismal,
i feel two players in the january window could put us on the right road again, we need a big powerful centre back, ive never been a fan of jones,
i would not complain if a keeper was bought,
hope to get back to form against ICT,

2

Aliens gang probed my cat,

04/12/2007 12:25:48

collins needs sacked along with the board for the following reasons

1. quality players sold to strenghten our rivals.

2.quality players not replaced

3. board has no ambition

3

Hibernia,

04/12/2007 12:34:33

#2 its you that needs probed for comments like that.

Only thing I have a beef about with JC is he insists on picking Kerr who is blatantly gash and its like starting a match with 10 players.

He contributes nothing during a match, well apart from one match when the ball hit him on the head and bounced into the net. I thought I would mention that just to irk the Jambos that come to post on thread like Vicky "ian" Pollard.

4

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 12:34:37

Hibs if they dont pull socks up and quickly. could go downhill. sundays display has not been witnessed this season too many players off form at the one time. fact was 11 off form at pittodrie.

5

Eighteen Seventy-Four,

04/12/2007 12:36:32

Aggressive streak! Quite right 6pack, your players were more interested in swinging pretend bairns about on Sunday than getting stuck in.

6

Lenny,

04/12/2007 12:36:54

# 2 And how are any of these points Collins fault? He hardly told the board to sell the players and not replace them.

Think before typing a possibility?

7

Ackey,

04/12/2007 12:38:30

To be honest, if it wasn't for our good start to the season then i think we wouldn't even be in the top six.
Big centre half, we have one in jones (although injured Sun)....or one on the bench in Joneleit....rather than play McCann at CH....what was he thinking....

Midfield...we need to get a fighter in there to compliment the other not so tackle proud players. Maybe Noubissie, who heard no bad reviews from Livvy fans, could be the one.

We need to get a win next week or this could be the way for the rest of the season.....

8

Tynie,

Robbo's Bar 04/12/2007 12:42:09

C'mon you Hibbies - my Jambo mate No 2 wis just havin a laugh. We are all over your Hibs message boards after a defeat just like you are with us

We just love winding you up

9

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 04/12/2007 12:49:12

There`s not enough space or time for me to fully express my anger at John Collins and his pathetic charges after Sunday`s performance. Criticism is easy so I`ll try avoiding the obvious. Collins insistance on playing from the back `all the time every time` is killing Hibs and offering ALL oppositions the easy opportunity to break our so called free flowing football up. Hibs are DESPERATELY predictable, ponderous and vulnerable and there isn`t another team in the UK who dare play with such ignorance and niaveity. We attempt football in situations that no other professionsl outfit would give a passing glance to. In other words we set ourselves up to be got at and in my opinion we are the easiest team to play against in the league. Collins the idealist must become realist if we are to put a stable, consistent and reliable team on the park. There now .... I didn`t explode !!!!

10

victor ian,

04/12/2007 12:53:14

more aggression required?

deano will be getting a game then.

11

glasvegas hibs,

04/12/2007 12:56:13

Is collins just too stubborn to admit defeat and play a starting 11 on merit. If that is the best (McCann ) he can find to cover jones when he is out, then surely his 1st chioce must be central defence 1 if not 2 coming in and release Jonilet to free up the cash he is giving monaco.

The Sun had some new French midfield maestro as coming in to replace Boozy when he goes or thru injury, but again is only in early 20's. With Aberdeen reports saying Calderwood will be given £1.4 Million for January spending, we surely must be able to match that at least with some quality established players wether it is true or not.

12

GrahamL,

04/12/2007 13:12:28

This is Scotland, and no matter who skillful your team, you're going to need a bit of strength in there. Come a windy winter day in Inverness a slick passing game isn't going to work and it seems that this Hibs side is a bit all or nothing - when the team is on form they're almost unstoppable, but on an off day they seem to really struggle.

Decision time Hibees - continue with your flair football, or add a bit of steel and become genuine contenders?

13

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 13:29:56

The word on the hibby-bounce is farmer will depart just after the year, (taking petrie hopefully)
and it will be all change at easter road, wage structure ect.

14

CPWilliam,

04/12/2007 13:42:34

Still don't understand the decision to play McCann as CB. Thought Gattheussi was signed as he can play left, right and can also cover CB. Joneleit must have done something freadful not to be quoted when one of the regular CBs injured. McCormack was also OK when he came in and at least plays regularly in the position.

15

Northern Hibby.,

04/12/2007 13:47:07

The ICT game becomes a must-win for morale, because we have not played well for a whole game since Celtic. One half against Hearts, 20 minutes against Utd and a bit a fluke with Rangers.

16

Silence of the Yams,

04/12/2007 13:49:56

14. Surelt the better move would be to play Beuzelin at CB and let Kerr play the holding midfield role. I don't rate McCann at all to be honest. We need another option on the left!! I hopoe Collins sorts this in January as McCann is a liability period.

17

Hobo Harry,

It's only Kaunas Dorothy 04/12/2007 14:13:16

10. victor ian. Nah, Deano won't play, he's been clinically depressed since yon big galloot he used as a punchbag ran off tae Engurland......the big jessie.......

18

Gaz fi sunny Leith,

04/12/2007 14:18:36

Lets not blame Kevin McCann, who put him in that position, who seems determined not to drop Louise Stevenson despite inept displays week-in week-out how bad does Brian Kerr have to play before he's subbed or dropped how many chances will Alan O'Brien be given to stand statuesk on the wing, JC start analysing ever match and the contributions from the above players before its to late, and stop making excuses you pick the team or is it Tom Farmer?

19

Madhatter,

Nick from The Empire 04/12/2007 14:25:15

Nice one GAZ!

Agree with you all the way.

Stevenson is a wee huddy

20

reekielum,

Elgin 04/12/2007 14:33:38

That performance on Sunday was a disgrace..If Collins has to sit and watch it again to see where they went wrong we have serious problems..And another gubbing is gauranteed on Saturday at Inverness..That was 3-1 going on 7-1 if Aberdeen were not playing their reserves
A total shambles

21

All Laugh Son,

Edinburgh 04/12/2007 14:47:31

Any time - not just the Dons game - the Hibs team of the last 4-5 years has faced a team that gives them little or no space, this has been the outcome.

Surprised more managers haven't tippled. Levein laid out the blueprint 4 years ago.

22

glasvegas hibs,

04/12/2007 14:53:08

no.20 too true, we can hardly lay blame at feet of a kid especialy as there IS cover for that postion. Hopefully with a few days to reflect on this, the manager and co will look to rectify this for saturday.

If farmer does go now seems to be time to do it with so many investments potentialy there for taking, hibs wouldn't be a bad punt. Maybe take it to the Dragons Den for a bit business advice on managing all the funds they have recently gained.

23

mrhibs07,

04/12/2007 15:30:18

Same old Hibs. and next season will be the same. All that money that was made during the closed season. Where is it? And the club have the cheek to ask fans to get their season ticket as early as possible so they know how much the manager can have to buy players. Only to hear the manager say he's getting he haw.

24

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`leith 04/12/2007 15:41:02

#24 Bang on man. Any team, thoughtfully coached and guided, can upset Hibs passing strategy. It`s like taking sweeties from bairns and can be thoroughly embarassing at times. Fair enough if we click then we are problem for teams but this tactic and attitude invites inconsistency and we don`t need football forensics to prove that. Wise up Johnny boy or resign, you just ain`t up to the job in many ways. Easy said but we desperately need a boost by way of player investment. You can get lucky with silk purse/sows ear signings but it`s an extremely difficult life that way and the club could really use some positive news for a change. Positivity please Mr Petrie not perpetual penny pinch.

25

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 15:46:24

why are we third in the league?

26

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 15:48:17

collins must be doing something correct, what was our position this time last year,
not a lot of teams can brag at being unbeaten by the oldfirm after fifteen games?

27

Jim W,

04/12/2007 15:49:25

#7 - if it wasn't for our good start to the season we'd be bottom six!!!!

And your point is?

We have had a good start to the season and as a result are currently 3rd. Do you have concerns about that?

28

mrhibs07,

04/12/2007 15:50:14

the question is though. for how long? We seem to be dropping a lot of silly points.

29

Hibernian fc '' Erin go Bragh '' '' 1875 '',

04/12/2007 16:06:56

Fans must look what collins has done in a year gave us a trophy after 16 years, we are third in spl, get off the guys back, we will be back

30

Saturday Sammy,

Port O`leith 04/12/2007 16:08:49

Reactions are down to just how bad Sunday and other performances have been. I`m devastated by the attitude of the Manager and the players but worse still there is an atmosphere of depression and hopelessness that envelopes the club as a whole. We sell our finest and buy cheap imitations in the faint hope of success. We burden young players beyond healthy behaviour then blame them for their sins. The lack of reinvestment is catching up rapidly and the megalamaniac strides boldly on. The league position can only be judged in May. I`m not confident.

31

JAL to Easter Road,

04/12/2007 16:16:56

"Collins plans to sit down this week and analyse footage of the weekend clash to see where the game was lost ..."

Does he operate in a vaccum? He should come on here, he'd easily find out what went wrong, we all seem to know.

32

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 16:25:41

We seem able to go beat gers one week then get turned over by st mirren the next, not consistant but a lot of improvement from past couple of seasons.

33

Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:33:17

Having just watched the total shambles of a non-performance by Hibs against Aberdeen at Pittodrie I really feel it is about time that Hibs supporters woke up to very important questions that need to be asked about the tactical capabilities and man management skills of John Collins as a manager! What I find totally incredible, as I am sure the vast majority of Hibs supporters do, is the selection of young Kevin McCann to take the place of the missing Rob Jones! What on earth was an actual competent six foot one centre half a German under 21 internationalist Torben Jonelit doing sitting on the bench? Wasn’t he brought to the club to be a capable understudy for Jones? To cover precisely for a situation of a late injury as happened on Sunday? And where was Darren McCormack another proven centre half who had played more than capably earlier in the season?
O no to play players in the positions their actually physically equipped for and have prepared for most of their footballing lives, seems a basic conception of team selection foreign to our original oddity of a manager! Instead Mr Collins places in Rob Jones position, a five foot eight young inexperienced right back the very player whose total lack of defensive capability in the air in central defence against Dundee Utd the week before cost us two goals!

O well done John with that thoroughly bizarre and incomprehensible decision you virtually handed the points to Aberdeen before the game had even started! An Aberdeen team it should be noted who had a significant number of their best players missing and of the back of an extremely hard European game that they lost and some sound thrashings in the League, just before that! With this one misselection for the first time this season Lee Miller looked like a dangerous and thoroughly all round accomplished player, won the ball in the air virtually unchallenged all day and played a crucial pivotal role in Aberdeen winning the match and received the radio man of

34

Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:35:00

‘We missed big Rob in defence..We don’t have another Rob at the club. We don’t have anyone who can replace him.’

And there was me thinking simple soul that I am that we had actual centre half’s like Jonelit and McCormack at the club, precisely to replace Jones when he got injured! What’s your next ‘master stroke going to be John? Maybe play Alan O’Brien in central defence say if Chris Hogg gets injured. Such a move would make about as much footballing sense as your replacement for Rob Jones on Sunday!

Of course John Collins has form on such matters! He seems to think that it is a tactical masterstroke to play players completely out of position, in roles that they have neither the experience, the physique, nor the technical abilities to cope with! This indeed links up with the wider concern concerning the personality of John Collins and the crucial question has he the man management skills to be a successful football manager?

It is of interest that the bust up that Collins had with the Hibs supporter at the reserve game against St Mirren on the sixth of October evidently started when the fan loudly criticised the playing of players out of position, particularly the playing of Alan O’Brien at left back, where friends at the game tell me he looked completely out of place and entirely uncomfortable, positively just about the worst thing you could do to a player desperately trying to find his feet and low on confidence! It appears that it was this supporters criticism of playing a player so completely out of position which appeared to enrage John Collins, for it was plain from the report of fans that were their that Gareth Evans was just the cipher for the tactical decisions or should I say incomprehensible master strokes of one John Collins!

Now it is Collins reaction to the criticism of the fan that really concerns me! From all reports of his behaviour on the day, both from those that commended him and those who critici

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Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:36:18

Now my concern here is not at all the perceived sense of grievance of the fan involved, though I believe he has, hardly surprisingly, written a letter to Ron Petrie complaining at the behaviour of Collins! No, my larger concern is around the question what this bizarre, aggressive and extremely odd behaviour of Collins tells us about him. Indeed, it appears to me as indeed I believe it would appear to any half competent psychologist, that only a person with an extremely fragile precarious sense of genuine self esteem, acts in such a loutish premeditated manner, flying into an abusive rage when anyone dares to question any of his decisions!

Again it should be noted that Collins has form on such matters! It has been well documented how before the League Cup final, such the mass level of discontent concerning Collins and his way of relating to the players and his general training regime, that he was called to a meeting where the players could relay their concerns! But just look at the response of Collins to the criticism directed at him! He immediately flies into a rage, cannot bear to listen to any criticism and storms out of the meeting declaring that the players will do what he tells them to do!

Now it’s been well said that it is a very weak person, fundamentally unsure of himself, despite any public bravado to the contrary, who cannot listen to any criticism, but immediately flies of the handle! Such people and there are many of them in all walks of life, tend to be bullying and dictatorial in positions of authority and cringing and sycophantic in lower positions of subordination. Wherever you meet such characters it tends to be a fundamentally unpleasant experience and such people tend to be thoroughly disliked and utterly hopeless at building up good relationships built on mutual esteem and respect, which are vital for solid success in any group situation such as that of managing a football team!

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Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:37:00

Now, why I bring up the incident with Collins and the supporter at the reserve game, is not so much its significance in itself, for by itself in the larger scheme of things it is a minor event, but how it recently illuminates aspects of John Collin’s personality that is deeply troubling to behold and does not at all bode well for the future footballing success of Hibernian football club, with an unstable highly odd person such as him at the helm of football affairs at the club!

A problem we have as Hibs supporters bringing such a matter up is the propensity of most people to shy away from embarrassing and uncomfortable matters and stick their proverbial heads in the sand. This can certainly be seen in the matter of John Collins and his time as manager of Hibernian football club. The player revolt of last season was a quite astonishing event in the annals of football, both concerning the huge scale of player revolt they’re exhibited, but also concerning the timing! To have such a huge number of players united in disapproval of the manager and going united behind his back to the Chairman of the football club is an event almost unparalled in football history and to take place at such a time where the football club involved has just won its first major trophy in sixteen years makes it even more remarkable! You would have thought that at such a time everyone far from seething with discontent would have been feeling jubilant and in great spirits!

Of course given the all too human propensity to cover up the disagreeable and the fact that Hibs did gain their first trophy in sixteen years, the prevailing attitude seemed to be to forget all about it, scapegoat a few of the players involved and move on as if in these matters John Collins, by the teams victory in the league cup final, had been entirely vindicated! A very facile, superficially pleasing attitude to take, but I fear not a credible one in the longer run!

37

Away down In Gorgie (2),

04/12/2007 16:37:08

32#

Hibs will be back - but where?

38

Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:37:43

Of course when trying to discover what actually went on we come up against the paucity of frank and open information concerning the internal workings of Hibernian football club! The prevailing ethos concerning anything vital to do with the club seems to have been borrowed from the model of the old Politburo in the old Soviet Union! This ethos did not of course arise with the arrival of John Collins, but it does significantly add to the difficulty in working out at any time just what precisely is going on! All we can do I suppose like Kremlinologists of old is attempt educated guesses!

It does appear to me that an important factor in John Collins clear out of players and the removal of the excellent experienced coach Mark Proctor, who was incidentally well liked by the players according to all reliable reports, is that Collins himself has such a fragile sense of self confidence that he cannot work with anyone who is experienced in the culture of British football, and confident enough to have his own independent point of view. That Collins can only work with young inexperienced Scottish players and bringing in other players from abroad and other clubs who are new to Easter Road and keen to impress the manager.

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Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:37:59

Well you know as they say that, ‘every cloud has a silver lining,’ and certainly Brian Kerr would almost certainly agree with that! Since he has been the only outfield player to play in every game and never been substituted! Quite astonishing really if you have had the misfortune to see this player in action, where his general level of performance has been generally abysmal, only rising to the adequate occasionally and the excellent once in the proverbial blue moon! In fact the only certainty that we appear to have concerning our present managers substitution policy is that most of them make very little footballing sense, have precious little to do with either how the player has performed in the match involved or previous one’s, or how various players can complement each other. Let me give just one example among legion. At the beginning of the second half of the home game against St Mirren, Collins brought Alan O’Brien on and the lad played excellently for the first fifteen minutes or so putting numerous excellent crosses into the box, but there was no one their to get on the end of them since Collins had taken off, the very man for such crosses, our big striker Anton Curier!

Collin’s totally irrational substitution policy is bad enough but the really deep underlying concern revolves around his brittle personality. Indeed, one of the most amazing points about Collins losing the rag at the St. Mirren reserve game was that this happened at a low key reserve match at a time when Collins was being almost universally praised for where Hibs were in the league and the positive nature of most of their results. The real worry is, is that if this is how Collins behaves in an atmosphere of no real pressure, where he is being almost universally praised, how on earth will he react if the pressure truly builds and we put in many more truly inept, abysmal performances like we did at Pittodrie!
Just look at Collins behaviour at a time where any kind of pressure is be

40

Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 16:38:23

I believe indeed that Hibernian football club are in a most unfortunate position. They have a manager who I do not believe is psychologically equipped for the very distinctive role of being a successful football manager, which involves far different inter – personal skills from those involved in being a successful individual football player! Many Hibs supporters will no doubt stick their heads in the sand and pretend there is no real problem, citing our present position in the league! I think myself they are deluding themselves. It is a blatantly obvious fact clear to anyone with eyes to see that we have not been playing that well this season and indeed I can hardly think of one game where we have played any where near the high fluent standard achieved regularly under Tony Mowbray! Perhaps in the home game against Kilmarnock, but their we were playing a virtual reserve team!

I hope that the truly dreadful performance against Aberdeen and our present managers absolute folly in insisting on playing players totally out of position, will make more Hibs supporters begin to ask some more searching questions about just what is going on at Easter Road and whether John Collins is really the right man for the job. I believe that last season when Tony Mowbray resigned that Mark McGhee was also interviewed for the manager’s position. A decision taken at that time of who was the most suitable candidate that I fear is now coming back to haunt us! Though it is never too late to reverse catastrophically bad decisions! I fear the longer we have such a tactically inept, totally unsuitable fractious personality at the helm of the club’s footballing affairs, the worse things will get! Indeed in the words of the sage, ‘We ain’t seen nothing yet!’

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Saturday Sammy,

Port O`Leith 04/12/2007 16:57:58

Livi Hibee ............ Touche` old boy. Magnificent scribe and harrowingly accurate to boot .... weez in trouble !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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reekielum,

Elgin 04/12/2007 17:34:12

I must agree to all the comments on John Collins
I actually said at the time that Mark McGhee was a better choice
Take Sunday as an example..Where was Collins at the warm up..Calderwood as usual was on the pitch having a word with all his players encouraging etc.
Collins never appeared is he too aloof
Nah it;s time he was shown the door before it;s too late,anyone who thinks differently are only kidding themselves

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GrahamL,

04/12/2007 17:35:33

A very well put point of view Livi Hibee, and the sort of thing these boards should be being used for.
Obviously a number of your fellow Hibs fans won't allow me to comment here, as I'm a Jambo - and we're 7th - but things do look a bit shaky for your lot. You've won one game out of the last 6, and I don't see any master strokes from Collins to change things round. Seems to be more of the "we need to pass the ball, use our possession better", there are some things in football that can't be solved by passing!

I'm equally baffled by using a full back in the centre, after all the hype over this German guy you brought in from Monaco, I'd have thought he'd get a run out ahead of McCann.

Ah well, I'll leave you guys to debate your club. I've enough to be worrying about with my own team...

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04/12/2007 17:49:04
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Taras Shevchenko,

04/12/2007 17:55:23

12. The Moth - great point...but wht didn't Jackie Macnamara choose Hibs? Youn can see that Aberdeen certainly value him highly & Hibs knew at the time they could surely afford him?

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Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 18:03:37

Livi hibee / after your many thousand words it is plain to see you are not fan of collins.

john collins is not the one who needs to be blamed.
try petrie. petrie is the little smuck getting away scot free. if collins was to be given a couple of million in january im sure you would see a different hibs team after the year.
remember we are third. we won our first silverware in 16 year. what did moggie win?
we are undefeated against rangers celtic and hearts this season. smell the coffee look at us past 10 seasons. collins can only act with what he has.
PETRIE IS THE ONE TO SHOULDER THE BLAME NOT COLLINS.

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Taras Shevchenko,

04/12/2007 18:10:07

Most of the above posts made good reading and they made a lot of sense - you can tell that there is appreciation for JC's efforts, but also he's still in a probabtion period...

..I don't think the hibbies will have forgotten all the weirdness of revolutions and good players not being played like MS because of JC's vendettas; which didn't put the supporters first, AND the supporters have done very well to handle seeing the transfer cash go to a training ground wihtout any crumbs towards players (the money paid back to Tom Farmer should never have been in dispute though) and not demonstrate about it.

re 47. Stanton4 made a craking point about the Thomson transfer timing is totally true....the hibs supporters deserved to see their side play a bit of euro footie instead of Dunfy!

New players have come in and some have worked out better than others - but thats part of the game. What gets me though is that it seems that John Collins is mostly at fault for not playing the right players in defence but then he blames his players for not being aggressive enough. Now that is the kind of thing a bully and a coward would do.

Hypothetically, if the great start to the season was mostly down to young players wanting to make their name to one day earn proper money i.e. the wins were wins despite Collins - it would be a bit rich for him to paml all the blame off on to his young team.

I think the hibs supporters deserve a lot better.

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mrhibs07,

in the hoose 04/12/2007 18:43:48

Tottaly agree with Al Branesh. Petrie has got away with far too much, for far too long. Garry O'Connor and Derek Riordan were another two the club should have done more to hold on too.

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HIBEES__FOREVER,

04/12/2007 19:18:45

Hibs of got out of jail so many times this season , our luck was due to run out.

Sunday was a joke , no fight no passion not a clue.

Kerr must be benched , Deano must get his chance as must Benji , I also think (don't kill me now) that O'Brian must get a run , only then will gain confidence and do some damage.

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Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 19:34:23

Nice posts lads lets get back to to-night.
I personally hope shellic get pumped.
Then the huns pumped in there game.

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Livi Hibee,

04/12/2007 19:38:35

There may indeed be a portion of responsibility on Rod Petrie’s door; however, my gut instinct tells me that Rod Petrie and the board have decided that Collins cannot be trusted with any large sum of money.

I also want to stress that although I am far from impressed by John Collins as a manager, I still hold him in high regard as a player since I witnessed him playing for Hibs many a time; however, the job of a manager is fundamentally different from that of a player. I do not want to bring up a sad episode from the past but we did have a world-class French player who we unadvisedly promoted to manager some years ago.

Many posters have been critical of any derogatory comments regarding the management capabilities of John Collins, citing his many coaching certificates; by analogy, I could have trained on a computer flight simulator for years and passed every tutorial; would you trust me to fly an Airbus from Edinburgh to Paris with 200 passengers on board? While coaching certificates are useful, the personality and character is of more importance, the ability to see players’ strengths and play to that, not to straightjacket a squad of players into a routine which may not suit and the ability to get the most out of each player.

Another aspect of the quoted altercation at the reserve game is the contrast with a similar incident at Tynecastle; didn’t the Hearts manager go out of his way to find the fan and apologise for the altercation? Is this not the way to earn respect?

53

Al Branesh,

04/12/2007 20:00:42

#55 Excellent post, well put forward.

54

Hibernian fc '' Erin go Bragh '' '' 1875 '',

04/12/2007 21:00:24

'This game in milan has become a farce'

55

ka-ka Mendez. ( columbia.),

04/12/2007 21:11:35

Here boys had i paid to get into that match i'd be demanding a cash refund, its ok saying it'll do for celts, this is a game where some of those guys are on 50 - 60 k a week.
just as im scribbling this the milanians score.

56

Dood,

04/12/2007 22:54:18

Pie in the sky, ya dobbers. you just don't get it, do you?

A few salient points. Without fiscal prudency, Hibs very existence would be threatened. Don't let any knob end jambo come on now and wind you up, giving it the Petrie pish. Plain and simple - slowy but surely Hibs are climbing their way back up. And we will get there, might take another couple of years, but I've got many years supporting hibs to come so I'm prepared for that. no debt, training complex, stadium...... It's the way forward.

Yes, Collins is very much up for debate but for Jeez's sake, give the man a chance. We are THIRD in the table. not bad, eh? We might just stay there, who knows? but all this doom and gloom is just pathetic. Come on chaps, chin up!!!!!!!

GGTTH

57

Taras Shevchenko,

04/12/2007 23:31:17

55. Livi Hibee - Obviously a hibs man that has kept his hond on his ha'penny regarding critising chocolate johnny...until now. I'll bet that felt good to let it out?

You said:

"There may indeed be a portion of responsibility on Rod Petrie’s door"

.....I would remind you that you have to make an addition to that.....sometimes there can be almost the entire first team at Rod Petrie's door too.

58

JAL to Easter Road,

05/12/2007 06:03:21

Cripes Livi Hibee, quite the dissertation here tonight, but well written and well formed. Nicely done. I wish I had the lifetime of wherewithal to be able to say such things.

What I really appreciate are the questions to consider. Looking at each situation as it happens and questioning it is a gift supporters bring to the game in general.

59

stanton4,

05/12/2007 08:43:01

why was my post #47 removed

60

Livi Hibee,

05/12/2007 09:15:49

Thanks to all posters for both positive and negative feedback to my comments. It's good to see there are many fans from both Edinburgh teams who are willing to discuss a point or put forward a case in a well-argued and coherent fashion without resorting to mindless drivel!

61

glasvegas hibs,

05/12/2007 09:57:52

Some interestng reading from Livi Hibee, but I am agreeing with post 59. It is all very well for right here and now blaming JC, but Hibs problems have been there for years, even a decades now so why all of a sudden when we are starting to build back up over recent seasons is it all so doom and gloom. If Hibs had have beaten Aberdeen 3-1 on Sunday but had remained without a win against the OF I'm sure half the posts would not be so bad. LIke the mass meeting with petrie it seems to be that some can't accept changes are happening for the good and it wont be overnight but least we are up there fighting with the rest and not like the sad days of 90's fighting relegation season after season with no promotion from the 1st division saving our ass on occasion.

As for the comments from Jambos regarding poor Michael Stewarts time at hibs, he never put in half the effort at Easter Road as he is at Tynecastle, maybe last chance saloon woke him up.

62

Dood,

05/12/2007 12:19:42

#64 - Thanks for agreeing. I suspect that's a first for me!

63

Apollo 1875,

05/12/2007 12:53:09

One poor performance and some people seem to think the solution is, sack everyone!

We're doing fine under Collins, he's a Hibs man through and through and we're 3rd in the league. Most SPL clubs would love to have that as their biggest problem. Sure I was surprised to see
McCann at CH. Joneliet is the tailor made replacement for Jones, but does anyone really think that Collins doesn't know that? JC must have had a good reason to not play him.

At the end of the day, it was a poor performance by the whole team, and that means Collins should take his share of the blame for that performance; it doesn't mean he's suddenly become a cr@p manager overnight.

As for blaming Petrie... that guy's a buisnessman. His job is to balance the books and make sure the club is on a sound financial footing. IMO he's doing a great job. He certainly had very little to with us being poor against Aberdeen.


 

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