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Demands to improve ERI's 'death trap' cycle routes



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Published Date: 28 June 2008
A CONSULTANT at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary today branded cycle routes to the hospital a "death trap".
Hospital and Edinburgh University staff have started a petition to force improvements on two routes – Old Dalkeith Road and the cycle path from Craigmillar Castle.

Cars are allowed to park along the road, forcing cyclists to ride outside them, whe
re they have to battle for space with cars, buses and emergency vehicles.

Meanwhile, the NHS Lothian-owned path is a mixture of gravel and steps that become so slippery when it rains it has become known as "the slalom".

Dr Rustam Salman, a consultant neurologist at the ERI, is leading the campaign. He said: "I use Old Dalkeith Road to get to work. It has cycle lanes on either side but that road is a death trap."

As it stands, there are very few restrictions on either side of the road, which means a lot of residents are parking there.

"Cyclists have to travel around the parked cars and hold up traffic, which is a problem, especially for the emergency vehicles.

"The real danger to cyclists is where there's very little space between the parked cars and a traffic island. Cars try to nip around you and you run the risk of being squashed."

Because Dr Salman approaches from Newington, he does not have the option of using the cycle path from Craigmillar Castle. Those who do have fared no better.

Lesley Forrester, a research scientist at the university, said: "It's fine in the council-owned part, but when you get on to hospital land it starts to deteriorate.

"It's rough gravel interspersed with steps. In bad weather it's really slippy. Quite a lot of people use it but more would if the path was in a better condition."

David du Feu, of the Spokes cycling lobby group, said: "When the cycle lanes were first put on Old Dalkeith Road we had a lot of complaints about parked cars.

"After about 18 months we convinced the council to install double yellow lines, but some areas have been left without and these are very dangerous. Gravel is also pretty dangerous in wet weather. A path to the main hospital really should be a major cycling route."

A spokeswoman for the city council said it was constantly working to improve cycling facilities.

She said: "The situation on Old Dalkeith Road continues to be monitored.

Double yellow lines are in place on some sections, but the needs of residents and workers who do not have alternative access to parking must be considered. The council will continue to work with the ERI in a bid to improve the path which runs from Craigmillar to the hospital."

An NHS Lothian spokesman added: "We've an active policy to encourage cycling and all forms of green transport."





The full article contains 474 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

geekpie,

forfar 28/06/2008 15:51:27
"Cars are allowed to park along the road, forcing cyclists to ride outside them, wheADVERTISEMENTre they have to battle for space with cars, buses and emergency vehicles"

Demand for car-parking space will always outstrip supply at hospitals. The answer is high parking charges combined with free permits for those who clearly cannot use any other means than car.
2

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 28/06/2008 17:00:54
another group demanding money be spent for there benifit while they contribute little or nothing
3

Schot,

28/06/2008 18:17:49
Edinburgh Royal Infirmary staff 'contribute little or nothing' ?

What the hell do you contribute that compares - got that cure for cancer coming along Bill ?



4

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

28/06/2008 20:30:54
Cyclists shouldn't be allowed on our roads in the first place. They have no insurance & pay zilch towards any road costs etc. This isn't Holland.
5

NorT,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 20:59:21
When will the cyclists learn that the red lanes at the side of the road and at traffic lights are only an indication. They are not cycle lanes and motorists can park in them if they wish.
6

brigadoon-08,

28/06/2008 21:01:42
I ride a bike and my insurance costs more than my car insurance. I pay road tax on my car, I pay council tax, I pay a lot of income tax as well as all of the other taxes foisted on us. If I don't contribute to road coasts, who does?
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 00:13:50

"As it stands, there are very few restrictions on either side of the road"

Correct!, but if you did not have, "restrictions" at the car park at the ERI, chances are this road would be free of parked cars!

"restrictions" at the ERI car park, you may ask,

What "restrictions",?

I Will tell you its simple! £1.20 per each and part of each and every hour to park there!

Its 'Scandalous'!

A New Hospital built in the desert! and they charge for parking!

They must all think we go to the ERI for, a day out, get an 'Ice Cream, and do a bit of family shopping!

Don't come 'crying wolf' now when, in the first place we let them away with,..

Hospital Car-parking,,'Ripp-off'!
8

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

29/06/2008 00:28:02
#7 - Fair comment. If greedy Balfour Beatty/ Haden Building Management (aka Consort) were to drop the car park charges, this problem would not exist.
9

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29/06/2008 01:15:24
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10

The Sheriff,

29/06/2008 19:42:20
Number 9, what has the fact a cyclist may or may not pay tax have to do with money spent on providing cycle lanes have to do with it? Then you mention vehicle users pay a fraction of their costs?

Tell me how much fuels duty the government get from a cyclist,or a percentage of insurance premiums,road tax,mot tax and all other associated taxes such as vat on services,and vehicle parts such as tyres which by the law of the land can result in motorists being fined up to £2,500 and 3 penalty points on their driving licence for each defective tyre.

You totally miss the point that is being made on cyclists.Cyclists are not regulated to use the roads,no insurance,no cycle licence,no road worthiness checks....so before you start mouthing off
about cyclists being tax payers,remember motorists are also tax payers yet are taxed and regulated to the hilt where as cyclists are not.
11

Ian down under,

Kawerau 29/06/2008 21:47:56
What ERI needs is a tram service. Light the blue touch paper.......................
12

Artemis,

30/06/2008 07:52:11
#5 - when will motorists learn that the red lanes at the sides of the road are only an indication and cyclists are not obliged to use them?
13

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 12:04:24
#4 Mario.
I strongly suggest you take that comment and shove it where the sun does not shine!!
cycles predate cars by at least 50 years and have as much right to be on the road as any other road user.
To add to that there is also the fact that they were invented in this very country by a blacksmith at Drumlanrig castle.
Or would you suggest that tax payers money be spent
create dedicated cycle lanes.

#5 NorT.
Go read the highway code again. You will find in there one or 2 items about cycle lanes.
Start with no. 243

#10 The Sherriff.
What about the money i spend on parts, tyres clothing etc?
How about the pollution cyclists don't contribute towards. Or even the stress on the NHS from i'll health brought on by pollution or generally being an unfit lazy git.
The police can stop me from cycling if something on my bike is defective and likely to be dangerous.

I have said it before but obviously needs said again.
If you insist on treating cycling the same as you do motorised vehicles and you will kill the industry overnight. Resulting in a lot of suddenly unemployed people, empty shops, lower fitness levels, increased pollution, increased ill health.

Too many drivers out there do not pay enough attention to what is going on around them never mind the lack of attention they pay towards people on less than 4 wheels.
14

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 12:09:24
#5 Here's another one for you.
140

Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
[Law RTRA sects 5 & 8]
15

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 12:31:20
#10 You are completely missing the point here - cyclists pay council tax, the same as everybody else. Since when have local roads been funded by fuel tax or vehicle excise? They also make fewer demands on the NHS, don't pollute the atmosphere, take up huge amounts of space nor kill and injure thousands of people every year in crashes. That is the point #9 was making and was correct on. Going by your "arguments" we should also tax pedestrians for when they cross roads, as they may fall over and injure themselves if they don't tie their shoe laces properly!
16

an interested party,

30/06/2008 12:49:03
cyclists are one of only a small group of road users that rely heavily on others not to cause them any harm, rarely do they indicate or use there mirrors, fair point as neither are fitted . hand signals and use of the head to perform what are called life savers i.e. LOOK behind you. would go some way to show other road users that they do in fact take steps to preserve there own safety.

I have driven all manor of vehicles on the roads and have never felt so exposed and unsafe as on a push bike
whilst it might be correct that cyclist have equal use of the road coming round a bend to find some cyclists 2 a breast swanning around in the middle of the road (there own side but in the middle of that) is enough to test the heart of most road users.

there are many steps cyclists can take for there own safety, these might in fact be taught in preparation for a test,they always will come of worst in an accident and being on a high horse climbing up to the moral high ground will never lessen this.

its your life look after it!
what good is being dead but technically in the right?
17

an interested party,

30/06/2008 12:53:17
15# cyclists are 2nd only to motorcyclists in the rate of deaths per kilometre travelled

and whilst unlikely to be the heavier object still share some responsibility to reduce these numbers, i.e. just cause a cyclist is in collision with another vehicle doesn't mean that there are not to blame or are faultless
18

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 14:01:44
#16 & 17 Interesting argument and one that to a certain extent does hold water.
Here's a quick question for you.
Do schools or anyone else for that matter still do cycle proficiency tests for those that want it?
If not why not?

cycling 2 a breast is NOT illegal but we are expected to change to single file when necessary to aid progress of other vehicles.

The one area where your argument falls flat is my own personal experience.
As a cyclist(25 years to and from school, college, Uni then work) and a motorcyclist(7 years) I can assure you that the most frequent cause of near accidents for me is the lack of observation and care from >2 wheel drivers.
Only this morning I just about got flattened by a BMW driver who tried to turn right across a junction I was cycling across. I had right of way but still got grief for having the audacity of being on the road on a bike.

I find it strange that you should argue about cyclists not using indicators, mirrors and head checks. I find myself shouting at car drivers quite frequently for those very same faults.

You should also check out the figures that the government (yeah i know can we really trust them?) These break down the causes of accidents between cars and bikes. 40% alone were the result of lack of care and attention.
Why else do you think there are ads on TV and radio about bikers t-boning cars at junctions?

Yes we do all share responsibility for the safety of all on the roads but crumple zones, airbags and restraint systems seem to have made a fair number of people forget about this.
19

an interested party,

30/06/2008 19:02:18
I commend the reasoned debate
there is a argument that everybody thinks there view is the only view and thus the right view which clearly it cannot be.

i personally find the lack of engine power on push bike to be the limiting factor, in every other vehicle there are 3 options(go more, stop more, steer) but only 2 on a push bike (stop or steer) often only limited to 1 #(stop)due to road lay out or traffic.
and ass stopping has a direct relation to effort its not surprising that some feel un willing to stop

it is speed difference that is the problem with road users being able to do such widely varied speeds whilst on the same road.

its an issue, that is by design, at junctions. it seems the designer has made it so the slowest vehicle takes the lead (ie push bikes)and then everyone has to pass it again where there are no lanes, seems risky to me that one as you often pass the same cyclist many times on the route into town

separate the road users and cyclists would be safer by far, but dont put them on the pavement as then its pedestrians (the most unobservant road user of all) that are then at risk

however its your life and if you cant drive or have little confidence then cycling isnt really a safe option, and even under the best possible conditions only maybe 40% of road users could use them

out numbered and un loved, its a hard lot being a cyclist
20

Schot,

01/07/2008 01:30:06
Cheer up cyclist, soon drivers won't be able to afford to knock you down, 'accidentally'. You can already buy a bicycle for less than it costs to fill a car with petrol and that isn't going to change.

There are ways to store the brake energy in a bike and release it as thrust while riding. People gave up on the bike because petrol was so cheap but sooner or later one lane of each motorway will be a bicycle track, Edinburgh to London in 7 days.

Bikes do wonders for Netherlands and Chinese health services. With a diode, a car alternator and a car battery you can also cycle in front of the TV to power the TV, or to precharge an electric car to drive you to London.
21

Niadh,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 11:56:56
#19 re pedestrians
Tell me about it!!
The number of times pedestrains have walked out in front of me when I have been riding towards them on either type of bike is ridiculous.

#20 Schot,
Yes there are ways of storing the energy. trains use them and they are effectively flywheels. To fit one to a bike would require considerable space and a susbstantial increase in weight. Ultimately there would be little to no benefit.

Yes bikes may very well be cheap these days but unless your putting 200 or more litres of diesel in your vehicle i would trust the bike to last longer than the fuel.
22

yer-coats-on-a-shoogly-peg,

somewhere near you 01/07/2008 20:07:22
is it wise to post so often at your work ?
23

Schot,

02/07/2008 00:14:49
#20 Schot,
Yes there are ways of storing the energy.

No, not just flywheels and not with those limitations. I was on a bike that shot forward when you released the brakes, but felt like riding a normal bike apart from that over ten tyears ago. Anyway, that was only an example, there have been a lot of increases in bike technology over the past twenty years, more every month imo. Until recently it was a forgotten technology but now it is being developed. The Beeb had a item about a £15 cardboard bike last month - okay, not particularly suitable for the Scottish climate perhaps, but certainly evidence of bicycle innovation.
24

tomias,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 15:58:15
Widen the pavements.
25

South West,

17/07/2008 15:59:04
There is hee haw wrong the path over Craigmillar!! Cycle it about 3 times a week, there are no more than 3 steps at a time and you're lucky if they're a foot high in total. It's a doddle.

Bunch of whingers....

 

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